?Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche??

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???Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche???? A Kent couple love their new car ??? but their experience suggests there are problems with the charging network

Linda Barnes and her Porsche Taycan 4S

Last modified on Sat 28 Nov 2020 15.57 GMT

A couple from Kent have described how it took them more than nine hours to drive 130 miles home from Bournemouth as they struggled to find a working charger capable of producing enough power to their electric car.

Linda Barnes and her husband had to visit six charging stations as one after another they were either out of order, already had a queue or were the slow, older versions that would never be able to provide a fast enough charge in the time.

While the couple seem to have been ???incredibly unlucky??, according to the president of the AA, Edmund King, their case highlights some of the problems that need ironing out before electric car owners can rely on the UK???s charging infrastructure.

The couple, who love their new fully electric Porsche Taycan 4S, which has a range of about 250 miles, contacted the Guardian to describe how difficult it is to recharge a car away from home. Their journey would have taken two and a half hours in a conventional car, they say.

The pair are not the first owners who love their electric cars to complain that the UK???s charging network is poorly maintained, complicated and hugely difficult to navigate via its various apps and payment systems.

The latest electric cars require fast 50kW-100kW chargers to refill on the go but they are hard to find and are often out of action.

Their journey shows the scale of the challenge the government faces if it is to have a working infrastructure in place ahead of its ban on new petrol and diesel cars in 2030.

Linda Barnes says they knew they would have to stop for a fast charge on the way home but were unprepared for what happened next.

???We left Bournemouth with 45 miles of range left and followed the car???s navigation system to the nearest fast charger, plugged it in but nothing happened,?? she says. ???A parking attendant told us it had been out of action for weeks.??

After a tour of several chargers, they were left wondering if they might have to stay the night in a hotel. A nearby Porsche garage with a slow charger gave them a free boost to get them to the next motorway services. When they arrived there, a woman who was using it told them she had only got it working by calling the helpline and that the call centre was about to close.

At their next stop, there was a queue to use the 7kW slow charger, which was working but came with a ???distinctly unhelpful?? 45-minute time limit, at which point another driver suggested a nearby hotel that had charging points.

Rather than risk driving there and use up more power, the couple phoned, only to be told by staff that they had no idea what type it was or if it was even working.

When they finally got to a working fast charger at a motorway services ??? via two more that were not operating ??? they were met with eight shiny Tesla chargers but discovered they were out of bounds because they are only available to the brand???s owners.

Fortunately, there was another fast charger that was available and they were finally able to get enough power to get home with only 11% battery power to spare.

Linda says the sense of relief was enormous. ???We ran through the entire gamut of emotions in those nine hours ??? resignation, range anxiety, annoyance and disbelief that this was happening ??? and finally elation when we realised we???d get home,?? she says.

???At one point I thought we might have to spend the night in the motorway service area. We would have stayed in the hotel if it hadn???t been the night that the second lockdown came into force.??

electric car charging point Some motorway services have electric charging points ??? but not all are operational. Photograph: Peter Byrne/PA Thinking that they had just been unlucky on their first outing, the next day Linda???s husband drove to their nearest town where there are three charging points in a car park. None were working.

???He then drove to a local pub where there is one in the car park ??? that was not working, either. Undeterred, he drove to the local BP fuel station but, sure enough, that was not functioning. There was no helpline number on the charging point and the assistant in the service station couldn???t help and said it was nothing to do with them.??

Linda says she now knows why most drivers charge their cars at home overnight and avoid using the public network. ???Our car is lovely to drive and electric cars are the future. However, someone needs to get a grip of the charging infrastructure,?? she says. ???On the plus side, we have discovered that electric car owners are a helpful bunch and everyone we met tried to help.??

The AA???s King, a keen electric vehicle driver, says the couple were very unlucky with their first non-home charging experience: ???This couple are very lucky to have a Taycan, which is the best electric vehicle I have ever driven. For most electric vehicle drivers, charging at home and at work gets them where they want to go and back.

???However, the reliability and availability of public charging does vary, with much criticism aimed particularly at charging on some motorway service areas but things are fast improving.??

He cites companies such as Gridserve, which has a state-of-the-art charging station near Braintree in Essex, and InstaVolt, which has won three customer awards this year for the reliability of its 500kW rapid charging network.

???Electric vehicle consumers want more interoperability, more chargers, greater reliability and a contactless experience. To really help the revolution get to full power before 2030 we need a concerted effort from local authorities to take up the charging point grants ??? only one in six do, according to AA research, and for those premises providing chargers to ensure they work. Driving an electric vehicle is great fun and can save you money and save emissions. Let???s make sure the future network can help save range anxiety,?? he says.

Charging points: what you need to know InstaVolt rapid charging network InstaVolt offers a rapid charging network. Photograph: David Parry/PA ??¢ There are more than 11,600 public charging sites in the UK, located at motorway service areas, supermarket and local authority car parks and, increasingly, pubs and restaurants. However, they come with a variety of sockets, power sizes, and a baffling array of payment methods ??? depending on the provider.

??¢ Some are free to use but most have a fee, particularly the rapid chargers that will provide 80% recharges in 40-60 minutes. Some require users to sign up for an app and special payment card; the better sites let you pay contactlessly with a standard bank card ??? but there are not enough.

??¢ Paid-for charging sites typically cost 30p per kWh, which is about twice as much you would pay if doing it at home. You will pay about ?£10 for 33kWh of electricity at a rapid charger ??? in most cases enough to drive about 130 miles.

??¢ In something of a rerun of the Betamax v VHS video battle of the 1980s, there are three types of connector being used, so most drivers have to carry two leads around. The good news is that new cars sold in Europe are moving to one standard, CCS faster charging, which should make life much easier. Drivers connecting to low-power 7kW public chargers use their own cable, while the higher-powered 50kW and 100kW sites have built-in cables, similar to a petrol pump.

??¢ Too often, chargers are simply out of order, a really big problem if you were banking on being able to use one to complete a journey. The various apps will often tell you it is working but the information can be out of date.

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Jethro_uk
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This is what would put me off buying an electric car: the thought of being stranded because I couldn't find a working charging point. Even if they had found a working high-power charger, they would still have had to wait considerably longer to replenish the minuscule 250-mile range than the 5 minutes it would take me to replenish the 700 mile range in my diesel car. Until electric cars have the range and recharge times of a petrol/diesel car, they will be out of the question: who wants to change their whole lifestyle to work around the shortcomings of an electric car? That is why I think the government will be very lucky to push through legislation to ban new fossil-fuel cars a mere 10 years from now.

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NY
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I'm not so sure, hybrids seem to have the best of both worlds. I recall a survey that suggested most journeys are 7 miles or less. If so even a hybrid would stay electric for most journeys.

And when the battery(ies) fail you simply remove them and go back to basics, and a lighter car.

Reply to
Fredxx

But they want to ban those 5 years later ...

Reply to
Andy Burns

but, meanwhile you are carrying the extra weight of both the battery and the electric motor(s). Recent reports say they are more poluting than IC only vehicles.

Reply to
charles

Isn't it only the sale that being banned, not the use?

Reply to
charles

In both cases, yes.

Reply to
Andy Burns

I have seen the same numbers, they produce more particulates than comparable diesel engined cars.

This makes interesting reading:

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"On a polluted day where ambient concentrations of particles are already high at 50,000 #/cm3, the vehicles remove on average 27,984 particles per second of operation"

And for comparison:

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A surprising article from a reputable institution.

Reply to
Fredxx

By up to 8x the official figures

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Andy Burns

I think particular ire is directed at plug-in hybrids which are never plugged in. Hence the even greater battery weight required has an impact to no benefit.

Ordinary hybrids are very much affected by driving style. With care, especially making use of regen braking, and excellent in stop-start and queues. But if you don't care, and just put your foot down, they are poor.

What gets me at present are the Toyota ads which seem to claim their hybrids have two sources of power. As if the battery charges itself on its own.

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polygonum_on_google

surely the wind turbine on the roof charges the battery?

Reply to
charles

This is ultimately a failure of 'leave it to the market'. It resulted in a fragmented patchwork of provision, operated by people who have no clue how to do that - such as the pub who installs the charging point for their customers: the bar staff won't know how to fix it when it breaks.

We need to treat this is critical infrastructure. We need a consistent standard of charging connectors, payment methods, charger status, and a fleet of service technicians going around fixing them when they break. If the Government is mandating electric car sales, they need to also control charging quality too.

Do you really use that 700 mile range on a regular basis? How many days do you drive more than that distance?

Most EV owners will charge at home so they always start the day with a 'full tank' - that takes 0 minutes out of your day to wait for it to charge. It's only on 250+ mile trips that you need to recharge.

(There's a separate issue about people who part on the street - again we need a lot more street charging infrastructure. To echo my first point)

Theo

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Theo

While ensuring a more comprehensive car charging network, add a common charger port for other chargeable vehicles - ebikes, even disabled scooters, etc.

Reply to
polygonum_on_google

Not on the car charging points. It's better to fit such ports where bikes, scooters, etc are normally parked - in front of shops, etc, not in the basement of the multi-storey where the car charging might live.

Theo

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Theo

It was in the Times. Only posh people like me and Charles read the Times.

Bill

Reply to
williamwright

But if you reverse it runs it down.

Bill

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williamwright

It resulted in a

We need to treat it as a massive scam and put a stop to it.

And the poor motorist has to pay for all this I suppose?

If

Even if you only do it once a year it's still absolutely crap, and not what you need.

Except when the mains has been off for hours because the network is overloaded by people charging their cars.

It's

Tell that to a van driver with a ton of gear in the back and the heater on.

Bill

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williamwright

He possible doesn't but a 250 mile range on an electric car may be much more of a problem.

Excluding this year, I often make a 220 mile journey and to avoid congestion I try and make it in one hit of 4 to 5 hours of continuous driving.

In summer I would have the aircon on and winter the heater on.

It is not unknown for my journey to take 7+hours when there have been problems on Motorways or major roads.

The problem for me would be with an electric car is not knowing how long any delays may be or where on your journey they may occur if the journey is approaching the range of the vehicle. Before making the journey in my current petrol car I know I have enough fuel before starting off for twice the distance or to cater for any lengthy delays - and having adequate personal heating or cooling when stuck in traffic.

The hundreds of thousands of cars on our motorways every day are not necessarily doing short urban journeys.

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alan_m

Or if there is a very strong tailwind.

"Two sources of power" is stretching the physics a bit. I presume they are referring to regenerative braking charging the batteries a bit when the car is going downhill. I wonder how much power is put back when going down a given steep hill compared with the power used when the car goes up the same hill.

Reply to
NY

But the chanced are that you would be driving either up north rather than down south - not both.

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alan_m

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