The guy was offering you a vastly superior product for something like
$0.15/FT extra and you felt so angry you had to leave the store and go
some place else? This must have been one of those Mondays...
Anyways, if you were adding an extension for a new employee, you could
have used that one CAT5 to provide the person with 100Base-T Ethernet in
addition to the phone, just split the pairs yet only pull one cable. Also,
not knowing your environment it's hard to tell but the fact that the
conductors are twisted (tightly, as opposed to loose twist in the cable
you bought) could save you some EMI-noise aggravation.
But it all pales in comparison to a feeling you'll have one day when the
boss wants to install a new IP PBX instead of the old one now that Nortel
is out of business and he wants new bells and whistles. Had you spent
$0.15/FT more that day, you'd have one less location to worry about ...
In any case, this may not be a good example of a Home Depot horror story
anyways because there actually are digital PBXes out there that do use two
pairs for extension cables (and some that use four) so the guy was just
not familiar with the particular one you had - happens all the time even
if he was still active in the field.
I think we ought to give HD employees some credit for trying to help.
Sometime you are better off not giving advice if you don't know the details
of the situation.
My favorite HD story happened when I had retired from my real job and was
filling my time as a peddler at the local RadioSchlock.
A women came in and wanted to get a line cord with a plug at each end. I
tried to explain that it was dangerous and most likely illegal.
And yes, we did not have such a thing. She said the guy at HD had assured
her that we had those items in stock.
He didn't try to dissuade her. At least he didn't sell her the parts and
explained how easy it was to make your own assembly.
Give them credit ?? Surely you jest...LOL..What I find the most amusing is
those that slam HD even go there...You HD haters know that doing the same
thing over and over and expecting a different result is a sign oif insanity
, don't you...LOL ?? Don't like them then don't go there..Nobody is forcing
you to...Shop where you want and let others shop where they want..No need to
belittle some poor smuck making 10 bucks an hour probably working 2 jobs to
get by or do you perfer him and his family be on welfare ???..Or are the
horror stories even real ??? I think that this topic is brought up every
few weeks for those with BBDS (Big Box Derangement Syndrome) can have a
therapy session...LOL...Oh well , continue on..Don't let me interupt your
On 8/26/2010 10:30 AM, email@example.com wrote:
You could use CAT3 2 pair. Even though the Nortel will work with a
single pair. It's advisable to use twisted pair because the Nortel
phone will get noisy if you don't use twisted pair. I've never seen
any single twisted pair phone wire except for the very old cloth
insulated stuff. I know this because I've installed and programed
a lot of Nortel systems. Nortel has merged with Avaya and a lot of
Nortel stuff will no longer be manufactured. What kind of wire did
you wind up using?
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:55:27 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote:
Doorbell wire is usually twisted? And you use twisted pair to keep the
proper impedance along the cable which prevents crosstalk. The same
reason Cat5e is able to do gigabit though you'd really want cat6.
Nope, well sort of, it's a Byte Brothers Real World Certifier. We got
it for less than $400.00 from one of our suppliers. It works very well
and I can Email or print the results for whomever we do the work for.
Yes, it has a TDR built in. It actually gives me the length of each
pair then averages it so I can report how much wire I install. It
uses a serial interface to connect to a PC and the output is an
Excel spread sheet which I convert to a PDF to Email. It has the best
toner I've ever used because it puts the tone on all the pairs at
the same time. As for TDR's, I've repaired several old analog Tektronix
1503 units with the cute little chart recorder installed.
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:55:27 -0500, The Daring Dufas
I ended up using the same (Belden , I believe) unsheilded twisted
pair cable the rest of the premises was wired with. I think it was
8442.? Black and red, single unsheilded twisted pair in grey PVC
jacket. Similar to fire alarm cable but in grey jacket instead of red.
Something like 6 cents a foot.
I sympathize, but it's not just Home Depot.
I tried to buy perfume for a Christmas present. "May I help you," inquired
the matron at the perfume counter of an upscale store.
"Yes, I want that bottle of perfume - 'Woman' by Jovan"
"No," she said. "You want the one next to it, 'Man' "
"Uh, no, I want 'Woman' "
"Really, sir, 'Man' is the one for you" she insisted.
"You're beginning to sound like my ex-wife. I know what I want"
"Sir," she explained, but her patience was clearly being exhausted. "They
work completely different. You're a male and 'Man' is the fragrance for
I fixed her with a steely stare. "If you must know, I'm having a sex change
operation right after the first of the year and I'm trying to stock up on
all the gear. Gimmie 'Woman'!"
I distinctly hear the word "Eek" as she hurriedly shuffled away to get a
Now, that is either clueless or insensetive. Like she thinks no one
buys stuff as presents. I also rather don't much like clerks who tell
me what I need.
I had a similar experience attempting to buy a shock absorber for my
vehicle at Sears. The clerk insisted to know what kind of vehicle, and
refused to sell me the one I wanted. Actually, I have bought nearly
nothing at Shears after that.
Amusing, but I suspect you are pulling our leg. The default assumption
almost all clerks would have is that a male coming to the counter alone,
is buying a gift for a female, especially near Xmas or Valentines day.
There are Very Few males that buy high-end stinkum for themselves-
almost all male-oriented fragrances (other than the kiddy crap in spray
cans, which is really more like deodorant) are purchased by females
trying to 'improve' the guy they are stuck with.
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