I have a 10-year-old hoover self-propelled. It was never quite the
same after I changed the belt, but it keeps on getting it done. It
was a gift, I wouldn't have paid that much for one myself.
I replaced a 25-year-old microwave that I got from my parents just a
while back. It was a Panasonic, and I think I hurt it by running it
without food for a minute. I bought another Panasonic, this one has
true variable power settings. So far, I like it as much as the old
one, and it was a lot lighter to move.
I don't get breaking vaccuum cleaners. Our last one was about eight,
and the only thing that died was a spring clip thing that held up the
bag. Steel wire made a nice substitute.
Almost every 'broken' vacuum cleaner I ever had apart just needed to be
degunked and lubed and put back together. Some uprights have a real bad
design, and they get hairballs in places not immediately obvious by
pulling the bag out. I have smoked the motor on a couple vacs over the
years (one shop and one floor sweeper), but that was from sucking up the
wrong things. Most household vacs are designed as throw-aways these
days. Even my new baby ShopVac is all plastic- no leaving it out in shed
over the winter. Before my mother retired to a non-110v area and gave me
her upright, my previous vac was a 40+ year old fireplug style one with
a cloth bag. Still sucked fine, but all the fittings were falling apart,
and I was tired of blacksmithing and duct tape. I gave it away in a yard
My Samsung micro, that I have written about on here before, dates from
81 or 82, and still works fine. It isn't the primary any more, since the
one over the stove is more powerful, but it is sometimes nice to have 2.
(Hot soup and hot sandwich at the same time, etc.)
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:23:07 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
My suggestion, when they fail and the cost of repair is more
than it is worth, or when the estimated energy savings over the
expected remaining life is sufficient to make it worth while
Remember that an appliance that is close to the estimated life
for an appliance is much like mine. I have had cancer many times in
the last 45 yeras, but since I am now 60+ years old, my expected life
is now higher than the national average because I have already avoided
dying in those first 60 years.
An old appliance approaching the average life of that kind of
appliance is likely to live well past that average, it must in order
to keep the average because of all those that previously died.
That isnt viable, because they are worth so little when hardly anyone repairs
A better test is to compare the cost of repair with the cost of replacement,
and the cost of replacement varys significantly. Some replace with another
new appliance, others replace with dirt cheap used appliances instead.
And its impossible to put a value on the time wasted when appliances
fail, so much harder to decide what is appropriate when the cost of
the repair is getting on towards the cost of the new replacement.
Hardly anyone is silly enough to repair a VCR nowdays even if they still use
In spades with stuff like PC DVD drives etc and phones and cellphones.
No it isnt any higher than that of other 60+ year olds, significantly lower in
And you dont get that effect with appliances anyway.
Utterly mangled all over again. And that is irrelevant to the chance of it
Most dont repair waching machines anymore.
And what its worth is irrelevant anyway. What matters is what
the replacement costs compared with what the repair costs.
No point, it stays pig ignorant shit no matter how often its reread.
No I'm not.
No it doesnt.
Guess which silly little prat has just got egg all over its silly little face,
The risk of an older appliance failing has absolutely NOTHING
to do with how long its lasted so far compared with the average.
Thats as silly as claiming that the risk of a particular coin
toss result varys with the result you have got so far. It doesnt.
I doubt if that is true today. A year or so ago maybe. In
either case it is foolish economics.
Oh I would differ, but maybe on this part our differences are more
semantics than anything else. I am not going to repair a five dollar
toy even if it would only cost two dollars where I would be likely to
repair a 500 dollar toy even if it cost 200 dollars. Of course with
many items the new toy may well be an upgraded version with better
features, where a new washer is not likely to be any different than
the old on.
If you don't understand it, how can you suggest it is a pig?
Sorry to hear that. Those who refuse to consider that they may
be wrong will never know that they are right, they will just believe
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:56:31 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
After reading Consumer Reports, I'm surprised the recommended
"replace" rather than "repair" recommendation. I've repaired a
washing machine, dishwasher, range well past its recommended
replacement period. Lots of parts available online for DIYs makes it
easy. Sometimes replacement will give you a better energy-featured
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