Speaking of Craftsman Tools....

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Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM), which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers are getting worse instead of better.

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CEE-TEE; none better for general use...afaik still same altho haven't had to buy a new pair in years...

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Considering that they are free (Tbird + FF or SM) they are pretty good. But in general I agree with you, I think they are just getting too many add-on gadgets for any one or even a large group of programmers to get a handle on. Fix the bugs then instead of adding new ones.

John

you'll also find AMERICAN made slip joint pliers at the john deere store. With the jd name on the. also, no yuppified plastic handle covers and no chrome to peel off and cut you. Just a good ol' fashioned pair of pocket pliers you can use. 6 and 8 inch.

i have found chrome to be quite satisfactory.

Yes. I was a heat treater years ago. I use a fine wheel, a very light touch and quench often. Still sort of makes me feel "wrong" when it steams. I'll get a set of Craftsman files too.

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A rivet????? Actually, my 1969 Craftsman slip-joint pliers had a bolt and nut, as do all my waterpump pliers - but all the rest of my pliers - slip-joint, diaganol cutters, linesman pliers, and even my old (1930s?) FENCE pliers use the pin or rivet tipe joint (except a couple of yeal cheap nasty slip-joints kicking around that I should have thrown out years ago - they ar bolted and make me mad every second time I use them, it seems, because I need to tighten them up)

Which is why I'm still using MickeySoft IE8

I have a lot of Green but rarely buy such things as hand tools, etc., there--they're simply too proud of most to be first choice. Just looked and the 6" pliers are double the cost of the CeeTee which are also made in USA afaik, still.

And, just because it is JD-branded doesn't _necessarily_ mean it isn't imported/made by another company for JD. This is particularly true for the smaller products. Even the utility tractors are mostly imports; the

Don't get me wrong; I like US-made but the green paint premium is just too much for my pocketbook to take for many ordinary things such as hand tools.

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i agree on most that. I have a '41 hand start model A, I'm pretty sure it's all American. The '74 110 lawn tractor we have has Jap parts in it. But the pliers are all American. Who sells the "ceetee" pliers?

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"C-T" "Crescent Tools" -- clever, huh? :)

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On 1/8/2012 3:44 PM, Steve Barker wrote: ...

Certainly anything before the war was US-built; it's after the 50s/60s that the cost structure began to shift drastically.

I have a mid-'60s 112; afaik it's all US--it has the Tecumseh engine.

The mid-80s rider has the Kawasaki; the early 70s (guessing, Dad got it while I was off in VA/TN before coming back and I've not looked it up to see just when it was bought) S92 rider is also all US w/ the B&S.

As noted, the utility tractor, a mid-90s 990 is typical of the genre available from any of the name line ag folks whether Case-IH red, NH blue or JD green. They're all a combination of various Japanese, Korean, etc., etc., etc., pieces-parts that may or may not be partially assembled in NA. They're basically no different than Kubota orange in pedigree.

OTOH, the field tractors from an old 4440 up are US-built and continue to be for the most part.

But, the bottom line for this thread is that all the major dealers have these lines of custom-branded products and they're all simply over-priced for almost everything. I really wonder how they sell enough to make it worth doing, truthfully. It's kinda' a double-edged sword I guess. They have to be high because don't have a lot of volume to support mass production by suppliers and the high pricing limits the size of market penetration. Unless they were to commit to subsidizing the lines for a while and try to grow the distribution, it will probably stay the way it is and I don't see that happening as being at all likely...

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IE9 won't run on old faithfull - Windows XP

Except for the ones that are German . (Lanz or otherwize known as the

On 1/8/2012 6:05 PM, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote: ...

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But they're still in the "utility" class, at least as we know them here even though they're much larger 90-150(?) hp than most ahr folks think of as utility. Make a nice loader tractor or for a baler.

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Browser only and FireFox is just as good, better in my opinion. The suckiness creeps in for usenet and email clients. M$ doesn't (and never did) have anything worth using. Tbird and SeaMonkey are buggy with the latter just plain ugly. Pan is excellent for newsgroups but as of now

John

One of the web browsers I have loaded on my WinXP system is Comodo Dragon. It's an implementation of Chrome similar to SRWare Iron and like Iron, Dragon removes the phone home crap that's in Chrome. It also allows for extra security by running all traffic through Comodo's own DNS servers and the browser also has a built in site inspector.

TDD

Won't run OE, either.

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