playing pretend about ventilators?

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trump said he thought he had a deal with iirc GM to make iirc ventilators, but it turned out they didn't have a deal.

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I thought GM agreed to do it but said it would take until mid-May to start actually making them. Is that what happened and trump is missstating things?

Or was it something else?

I think what will end up happening is that even with invoking the Defense Production Act it will take just as long to make them. As to the price, maybe there will be a trial and GM will get 80% of what it is asking, not 10% like rump probably wants to pay.

I presume GM, or Ford, will get the plans, templates, sample machinery, and everything to make these things from the original manufacturer, even though we hear almost nothing about the original manufacturer.

BTW, while you can make a ventilator for a 100 dollars out of one of those rubber bags they use in the ambulance, the ones used in hospitals are much more complicated and do a much better job. See the picture at

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Obama Motors · Accepted Answer

Would you really trust your life to a GM ventilator?

Cindy Hamilton · Answer

A GM ventilator or no ventilator at all?  No contest.Cindy Hamilton

FromTheRafters · Answer

Obama Motors wrote on 3/28/2020 :An iron lung, yes, an airbag, maybe not.

rbowman · Answer

A GM ventilator made in the Lordsville plant? I suppose, if it doesn't look like a Vega.

gfretwell · Answer

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 01:14:03 -0400, micky    wrote:You should have watched the NBC news tonight. They had an interviewwith a big ventilator company exec who said they were in a jointventure with GMDefine "better job". You are just trying to inflate someone's lungswith fresh air at a regular interval. Hardware wise, that is a prettysimple task. I am sure you get a fancier control panel on the $30,000one with more blinking lights and displays but if I am dying, I justwant the air going in and out. A $100 one you have is better than a $30,000 one you don't have. At acertain point, if you turn the American inventor loose, you might endup with one that is $100 and as good or better than the $30,000 one.That is particularly true if it is battery operated and very easilycarried around. We might get to a place where it isn't a firemansqueezing a bag when you dial 911.

Ed Pawlowski · Answer

Very sensible way to do it. For the most part it is calling up your suppliers and getting them geared up to make the same item they have been making for years. All the tooling is in place, get the raw material and go.

I'm sure the suppliers will crank up as needed because if they don't, they would be screwed.

gfretwell · Answer

These people have a hell of an incentive if there are guys out there making something that works for a tenth of their price and that is still damned expensive. They get tens of thousands of dollars for a low volume air pump just because they can.

Peter · Answer

You need to speak to a pulmonologist, respiratory therapist, or respiratory physiologist and then listen carefully to what they say.  If you do, you'll end up retracting your statement.

gfretwell · Answer

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 11:45:17 -0400, Peter    wrote:Yet when you dial 911, you get a fireman squeezing a bag and thatkeeps you alive.

Clare Snyder · Answer

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 11:45:17 -0400, Peter    wrote: A friend's daughter is a respiratory  therapist.Here in Ontario. She was offered $65000 US for a 3 month contract togo work in the USA. She's stayin put where she is . (that's over$400000 canadian per year!!!!!)

trader_4 · Answer

No worries, Dear Leader and Hannity agree that this is all just hysteriaand the ventilators will not be needed.  That's your team.

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