On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 13:08:52 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Most have "effectivel abandoned" all the copper already. The "main
trunk" runs along the back of my property and to replace it would
require tunnelling through a LOT of tree roots (almost a mile, end to
end across numeous properties) All the "spare pairs" have been used
and they cannot provide me (along with numerous others) a "clean
line". The phone was noisy and DSL was as low as 1MB so I switched to
Rogers (cable) and an OOMA box. Would have used the cheaper Magic Jack
but I could not port my existing phone number.
Ours are generally in the utility and road right of way and the
utilities generally deforest that whole 66' swath here in Florida.
There was a rumor 30 years ago that Sprint dropped fiber in the hole
in front of my house with the copper but these days they only mark two
lines. They used to mark 3 on a locate so I suspect the fiber may have
been damaged or simply abandoned. They bored the line to my house 30
years ago when the overhead drop was removed. It is a 3 pair flooded
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 21:16:01 -0500, email@example.com wrote:
We have the gas, hydro, and water underground in the boulevard and
first 3 feet of lawn. The telephone and cable run along the rear
property line. Ours is all burried. In some areas it runs above ground
-(even in some with burried power) - while where the power is overhead
on the street, phone and cable sometimes share the poles. The power
goes up to the house under the edge of the driveway- about 2 or 3 feet
from the grass, while the water goes about 3 feet out from the other
side of the driveway (with the drainage/sewer) and the gas is about 15
to 20 feet farther over - in line with the corner of the house. Gas
meter on one end of the house, electric on the other end (on garage
wall) and water meter in the center of the house undeer the front step
(in the cold room)
The county owned right of way is 66 feet wide in front of my house,
typical for a Florida residential street. 24 feet on each side of the
18' road is grass and that is where the utilities go. A lot of people
are shocked to find out they don't own the first 24 feet of their
yard. This is not an easement, the county just owns it. They can cut
down "your" trees, dig up "your" grass and generally tell you what you
are allowed to do there. Lawn sprinklers are always an issue. If they
dig them up, tough shit. Legally all you can have is a mailbox and
with a permit, a driveway across it.
OTOH, you can make them mow it if you want. Just don't expect it to
happen often or get a very good job.
Sounds like communism. Why should I have to mow a government lot for
free? People do it here, and maintain the grass, just for the illusion
that their yard is bigger than it is. I do too but I also maintain
about an acre of FPL right of way behind my house, just for my own
enjoyment of having a good off leash place for my dog to run. It is
also a sort of wildlife preserve for me.
In real life if I didn't I could complain and they would have to do
some minimal level of maintenance themselves. I don't because the
resulting jungle north of me makes my little acre a private park, only
I can get to.
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 13:42:50 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
"Not an easement, the county just owns it"...is that a Florida thing? I ask
because I'll be moving there eventually. Everyone does. :)
I've owned homes in Mississippi, Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, and Montana, not
all at the same time, and my property line has always been the curb. The
sidewalks cross my property but are owned and maintained by the city,
except for snow removal which was my responsibility, and there is always a
utility easement of about 15 feet, but it's just an easement.
One of the utility companies here has a high voltage line running along the
back of my property with a 100-foot easement, 50 feet of which is on my
side and 50 feet on the next guy's property. In the fine print, though, it
says that they've agreed to repair any fences that have to come down in
case they need access to their lines. They don't have to replace trees,
shrubs, or outbuildings of any kind. It really shouldn't be an issue,
though. They have at least 3 ways to get back there without crossing any
I can't speak for every county and city but that is certainly the way
it works in Lee County. You can go to LEEPA.ORG, punch in the address
and see the property lines.
This is a shot of my house with the property lines in yellow.
They just own the 100' wide right of way behind me. It used to be a
railroad track before WWII.
When sprint took over the mom and pop phone company here they replaced
the whole "plant" and our lines were clean. I also knew the "data"
guys well at the telco and had a way of getting a clean line if I made
enough "noise" even on the old system. At the end of the day they are
still a government regulated utility and you can push down from the
top if you have to. It helped that I had better tools to assess their
line quality than they did tho.
The Telco does OK here if you are on fiber but copper is pretty much
stuck with 10-25mb internet only plus a POTS line that is virtually
free (<$15) and has all of the calling services. (free LD, call
waiting, conferencing, caller ID, voice mail and a bunch of other
stuff I never use) If you like to talk long distance a lot I suppose
it is a great deal.
It's much easier and cheaper to splice copper wires (even coax)
and terminate it into equipment than doing it with fibre.
So "fiber to the block" is pretty common, and copper the
last 1,000 feet can easily handle all the standard amounts
of required bandwidth
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 3:49:49 PM UTC-5, danny burstein wrote:
I guess that depends on what the standard amounts of required bandwidth are.
You sure aren't going to get 100+ mbit/sec over 1000 ft of 50 year
old copper telephone wire. Here in NJ Verizon Fios is fiber up
to the house. Which is what you would need to equal what I and
many others have through cable/internet. People that have copper for
the last 1000 ft, are they getting cable TV and internet through
Oh, sure. To get decent throughput (by modern standards) that
last 1,000 feet has to be coax, not twisted pair...
I'm not quite sure where the neighbohood fiber -> coax box is
here (and yes, I've searched..) but I can tell you our coax
gets us 100 meg plus numerous HD tv channels
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
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