Oven cleaner & Sylvania 30 Watt 120VAC bulb (LED?)

If you wipe it back to bare metal, the self cleaning coating is gone, and it will never work right again. Oven cleaners can damage that coating.

Wipe out the crumbs. Big deal.

Turn on your friggin' exhaust fan.

If you wipe it back to bare metal, the self cleaning coating is gone, and it will never work right again. Oven cleaners can damage that coating.

Wipe out the crumbs. Big deal.

Turn on your friggin' exhaust fan.

Oven elements die. Even without using self cleaning. Big deal! Replace it.

If you wipe it back to bare metal, the self cleaning coating is gone, and it will never work right again. Oven cleaners can damage that coating.

Wipe out the crumbs. Big deal.

Turn on your friggin' exhaust fan.

Oven elements die. Even without using self cleaning. Big deal! Replace it.

WOW! what an incredible RANT!

MY self cleaning oven is very well insulated. It hardly heats up the kitchen a few degrees. And it is heating season now anyway.

And then you throw in idiotic twisted up politics.

Sorry I tried to help.

Are people confusing the self cleaning and continious cleaning ovenr ?

I can necer remember which is which but one runs the oven at high heat for a couple of hours. I doubt the Easyoff will do much damage to that kind. I have one like that the other has some kind of coating that the cleaners like Easyoff will destroy. I am not sure how that one works to stay clean.

I don't use the oven much and as I said, I've used self-cleaning a bunch of times, maybe 6 times in 40 years. How much environmental damage does

I don't cry about global warming. I think we've already lost the battle and there will be dire consequences. We can delay them somewhat, but I don't dicuss it.

Below you say 1%. How is this not like incandescent light bulbs that burn out when you turn them on. Does that mean turning on a light bulb burns it out? It's just the straw that breaks the camel's back.

This is a popular response technique. I don't know if it's listed in the list of logical fallacies, but it should be. That is:

Cindy writes about one specific thing that you consider *wasting* resources, and you reply about any sort of extra use of resources, as if Cindy had written about the group of them.

And here you do it again. Cindy said nothing of the sort.

And who says that it's wasting? Why is it wasting anymore than any other use of resources? YOU are the one complaining about caked on dirt on your oven. If you or the previous owner had cleaned it more often, it wouldn't be like that. So it's failure to use resources, either Easy Off and human effort or Self-cleaning, that created the problem you are complaining about. --- So now the question is, is using self-cleaning worse for moral or environmental reasons, without corresponding benefit, than cleaning it by hand. Should one drive downtown when he can drive to a bus-stop and take a bus? Should one drive to a city an hour away when he can drive to the bus station and take a bus? May one mow the lawn with a power lawn mower or must he use a manual one? Should one accept a job that requires driving a car 60 minutes when he could take a worse job that is 30 minutes away? There are hundreds of such questions involving use of resources.

What? You were the one who started this by complaining about it, weren't you?

And no, the oven is not supposed to be black inside. In the best possible world, it would look like it did when it was new.

First I heard about this, Cindy. I thought if you cooked the fish until the translucent flesh turned white, that was enough. ??????

I'm sure you do. I too try not to waste anything. My parents grew up poor and I was raised that way. But it's inevitable. Even my parents ended up wasting sometimes.

Do you wash dishes under running water, instead of using a dishpan filled with water and soap and another for rinsing? Washing under running water is wasteful.

Do you use the dish washer for mildly dirty dishes without a full dishwasher. This requires algebra and 4 variables but sometiems it's wasteful to use the dishwasher, certainly if it's not full. I think sometimes it's the opposite of wasteful but I'm not sure.

LOL

ROTFLOL

There is a recent notion that if one uses the "proper" medical term for a person's private parts it's acceptable to discuss them in mixed company. That is not true. It's a degradation of society not to use a euphemism.

When you use soap, it all goes down the drain. Isnt that wasteful?

That was Cindy's point, "[Oven cleane is] formulated to stick to the oven walls while it works."

Goo to know, but I don't have any birds (and I use self-cleaning)

In the winter, the heat of self-cleaning means your furnace doesn't run as much.

Baloney. Being inconsisstent is not the same as being duplicitous, and in the cases you're describing the inconsistency is accidental, so it's even farther from duplicitous.

I've had no trouble with standard appliance bulbs. I've only self-cleaned about 6 times, but 6 is quite a bit.

If room temperature is within the range of the thermomter, compare the ones for sale and take the one with the mean or modal temperature.

Killfile the moron and move on.

Some woman undercooked tilapia and got flesh-eating bacteria.

Yes, that's the continuous cleaning. I had one for 25 or 30 years and I really liked it. You don't have to do anything.

It has a porous coating and the splatter gets on it but I think spreads out enough that using the oven later makes it burn off. So once the oven gets a little dirty, it's never perfectly clean again, but it's not your fault and YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. What could be better than that? I'm not sure they still make them.

In my case, I think something greasy in the oven, maybe a pan I kept using without cleaning, got too hot and caught fire and that a) burned off part of the coating, b) ruined the thermostat, iirc. I thought about finding a new thermostat and repairing it, but I also put an ad online somewhere. I explained that I had had a fire, and of all things, someone looking for firewood saw my ad and called me and sold me pretty cheaply a spare oven he had. I couldn't buy one new because they didnt' sell harvest gold color anymore. He was selling his so he could buy a white one for his mother-in-law, who lived with him, I think in a ground-level basement apartment. Maybe this was craig's list,

I doubt that there was ever an actual oven behind this rant. He's probably just trolling.

Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and lobsters? I will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too tasty without a lot of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.

'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod, swordfish, wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region.

The seafood you mention are scavengers and were built to process what they find on the floor.

Tilapia are not built that way and are often farmed near sewage outlets, not the wild poop crabs eat. The blame, IMO, mostly goes with the cheap way they are farmed. I'd not put one on my plate.

I don't eat catfish, either. All freshwater fish tastes muddy to me.

It depends on your standards. I paid either $30 or $40/pound for a swordfish steak for my husband last week.

The glass cover soaked in ammonia cleaned itself up real good.

It's hard to tell (because it's so grimy, that's why) but it seems to be a blue speckled enamel on the sides and the grill is black chrome I think.

As I recall, Consumer Reports also mentioned a special kind of self cleaning oven with a special kind of coating - so it could be that too.

I never did it - but even Consumer Reports said you might want to get out the vacuum so the implication is that the grease was incinerated to dust.

Consumer Reports mentioned that also. I suppose it stinks a bit. I agree with you that a bit of stinky isn't all that egregious.

Thanks for the advice!

Next time I'm in town, I'll pick up the 30W "appliance" bulb.

Have you tried walleye? Or good trout?

Wild salmon was $12/lb at Costco last week.

Farmed atlantic salmon was $11/lb (it used to be about $8 pre-pandemic).

As luck would have it, I was at a supermarket today and looked in the open top refrigerator case and saw a 6 stacks of tilapia. TTBOMR first time I had seen a package of that fish in a year or two. Coincidence or the evil omnipresence of AHR?

Yep. I can taste the geosmin in all freshwaterfish.

Neither of us likes wild salmon.

Costco doesn't have enough things I want to buy to make it worth paying for the memberhship.

Good question. I don't know. Is it the same horribly very wasteful energy-inefficient process that the nitrogen in NPK fertilizer comes from?

Well mine is! :)

I generally scrape the rust & grease off with a steel brush after starting the burners for a while to heat up the grid.

Alls I know is the glass cover soaked in ammonia cleaned it up.

Would you call this "dirty" or "completely crapped up?"

Good question. I don't know the answer to that question.

They didn't mention where the ammonia gas comes from. Wikipedia to the rescue

You're right. It's as bad as the Nitrogen in fertilizer. Why isn't NY complaining then? See my prior diatribe about politicians all being liars.

Maybe. I didn't think about it. But if Consumer Reports mentioned it, that means I'm not the only person to have been confronted with the fact.

Note: You calling me an idiot is interesting since it's simply a mistake. I won't do it twice.