OT: I guess things aren't so rosey at Airbus either these days...

The First Airbus A380’s Are Now Being Scrapped
Only about ten years old too.
https://simpleflying.com/airbus-a380s-scrap/
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On 5/6/2019 8:44 PM, trader_4 wrote:

A380 is going away. I was surprised at the engine cost: For the time being, the valuable engines of the A380s are being leased to makers Rolls Royce for an estimated $480,000 a month per aircraft, with a sale expected in 2020 according to Flight Global.
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They just reached the breaking point with the economy of scale. It is hard to get than many asses in seats and a plane taking off with empty seats is losing money.
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wrote:

Its much more complicated than that. The real problem with it is that its big but not great on efficiency so the cost per mile per pax on fuel isnt as good as with the other stuff it competes with for long distance routes.
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On Tue, 7 May 2019 16:08:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"

Yup, it kicked ass against a 747 but the 777 gives the airline a 25% advantage per seat mile. That all gets worse if there are empty seats.
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On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 12:11:11 PM UTC-4, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

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This was a major inflection point in the airline industry, that Boeing got right and Airbus botched. Fifteen years ago, Boeing bet that the future would be more direct flights from smaller cities, using aircraft like the 787. Airbus bet on the big hub model, where you take a small plane from a smaller city to a major hub like Heathrow or Ohare and then pile 600 people onto a jumbo jet. Part of that was predicated on thinking that there was no way to expand many airports, slots were limited, so better to have a big plane. But it all went Boeing's way, they were right. Airlines would rather have smaller, direct flights, two 250 seat flights, two hours apart, instead of trying to load 500 into one plane out of a hub. It's also ironic that the A380 is ceasing production and going out of service already, while the 747 is still being built 50 years later. Though it's all cargo versions and not many of those at this point.
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On 5/6/19 8:44 PM, trader_4 wrote:

If you eliminate the seats and force people to stand, you can get the same number of passengers in an A-320.
You might need to hire some plane packers though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v
A9-oUoMug
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On 5/7/2019 6:25 AM, devnull wrote:

Some years ago, an Irish discount airline Ryanair suggested that. Don't recall the details though. https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/standing-up-airplane-seat/index.html
These guys have done it. https://flytrippers.com/ultra-low-cost-airline-introduces-standing-room-only-airplanes-with-no-seats-to-increase-capacity/
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On 5/7/2019 10:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

The first class passengers would be moved to the cargo compartment where they could sit on their luggage.
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