OT. Electric Vehicle Sales

[Dean]

The used ones lose value quicker than their gasoline powered counter parts. That really isn't a surprise.

[hubops]

Perhaps a new business model for EVs is in order :

Quick-swap the batteries in automated robotic depots ! : get credit for any remaining energy in the used battery : batteries are re-charged at safe and efficient industrial facilities that use off-peak and/or renewable energy : the car owner doesn't suffer the expense of battery ownership < end-of-life replacement ; re-sale devaluation ; etc .. >

John T.

[Bob F]

When has a rental of anything for long term use ever saved money? The suppliers have to make $ somewhere.

[Scott Lurndal]

You need to find better sources of information other than propoganda websites.

[hubops]

In general, I agree. But if you think of it ~ like cell phones -

" We'll give you a FREE phone if you sign this 2 year contract."

" We'll own the batteries if you sign this 5 year energy contract. "

John T.

[T]

Battery changing stations are a really bad idea. Inventive, but still a bad idea. This guy goes into it.

EV Madness: The BONKERS world of robotic BATTERY SWAPPING

[T]

Here is another video with the same conclusion:

EV Depreciation is BRUTAL

[hubops]

Not really .. he _avoids_ going into it - providing no actual technical arguments at all - just his blah-blah bluster. John T.

[micky]

Then I wouldn't have to have a charger 100 feet from my house, and it could be uicker then filing the tank.

[T]

Lets see

1) tremendous amount of underground real estate needed

2) Need its own coal fired power plant to supply all the energy needed

3) one cell in one power pack fails and you have destruction and environmental catastrophe of biblical proportion.

Have I missed anything?

They are a really bad idea.

[Dean]

I imagine rebuilt batteries will be available eventually.

[T]

BEV are so dangerous, I see them being banned in a few years

[Dean]

[Ed P]

Batteries will change too. There is a solid state that is supposed to last 300,000 miles.

EV is young and we will see big changes in the next few years.

[T]

Kaboom!

[Dean]

Some growing pains.

The man's EV just decided on its own to keep moving. That wouldn't necessarily be because of being battery powered. The EV apparently doesn't have a big red throw switch for off or driver just didn't think to use it.

[Scott Lurndal]

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Pretty much everything.

[rbowman]

Recycling lead acid batteries is relatively easy. Back in the '90s there were two companies in the LA area that processed them. I've hauled batteries as far away as Colorado to tge plants. I assume there are other recyclers in the east. The plants aren't pleasant places. The workers wore hazmat suits and you didn't get out of the truck.

An interesting quirk is a load of brand new batteries is a hazmat load. A load of leaking, semi-discharged batteries is not a hazmat load. I have a feeling EV batteries will always be a hazmat load regardless.

As far as 'rebuilt' batteries I don't think that is ever in the cards any more than current lead acid batteries are rebuilt. I remember reading about rebuilding batteries in materials from the 1920's and there appears to be a book available:

but the science.org article doesn't sound hopeful about disassembly.