...if they are lucky enough not to suffer permanent brain damage from
childhood malnutrition, chronic brainwashing by their peers and seniors
who convince them they are losers for life, and/or from multiple
concussions from beatings and fights. There's a lot of luck involved
here, not only motivation. Medical science still does not understand
why some motivated youngsters seem to be able to overcome severe
physical and/or environmental insults but others don't. The
epidemiology is strongly against overcoming really bad circumstances.
Only a small percentage manage to escape their background.
How do you propose to encourage diligence in the typical slum dwelling
kid? Apparently further punishing them with deprivation doesn't work,
and after a certain age (early to mid-teenage), most will not respond to
the best efforts to help them.
Mostly because some (too many) parents do not have time to spend with the
kids or do not feel like it. I wish we could change fertility so that
proof of parenting ability was necessary to produce offspring.
...and a certain modicum of common sense and intelligence is necessary
to gain the right to vote. The unsolved problem with democracy (not
that any society has developed the optimal system) is that given enough
time, circumstances tend to devolve to the lowest common denominator:
our basest instincts of self-righteousness and greed.
Jay Leno's "Street Walking" segment last night (could have been a
repeat) interviewed some US-born young people whose ignorance was
appalling. One young woman initially said there was only one Senator and
two Supreme Court Justices, and could not name a country adjoining the
USA! The other two whose interviews he showed weren't much better.
Do you think that they'd air the interview where the person was
pointing out that the question was ambiguous or in error, and Leno was
using the English language incorrectly?
Stupid sells on television. It makes some viewers feel superior. It
makes me feel like smacking the people responsible for the
Most of the questions were taken from (or based on) the pool that
applicants for citizenship are expected to be able to answer. In fact
there is no question about a country adjoining the USA, but it's truly
mind-boggling that a person born and educated in the USA would not know
the answer. When pressed, the young woman answered "Europe," but then
said, "Oh no, that's a continent, isn't it?"
The citizenship test asks why the flag has 50 stars. Jay asked her how
many stars the flag has, and she answered "53, one for each state."
At one point she told Jay, "I thought you said this was going to be fun."
BTW, I think I got the name of the segment wrong: I think it's "Jay
In the future, I would dearly appreciate it if you snipped more accurately,
and answer each person individually. You have responded to two posts, and
rolled them into one, and answered it rather vaguely.
Outcome based education, I'd guess.
You're joking right? There's nothing remotely vague about Peter's
reply. He didn't snip anything at all, so there's no lack of accuracy
in it. Your initial line was quoted as Han's reply would not have
made sense without it.
BTW, the definition of a decaying society is what an aging person
thinks of its current manifestation as seen through the haze of
"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in
place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room;
they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their
food and tyrannize their teachers."
And "parents do not have time to spend with the kids" is often because
there is only one parent (usually the mother, because the father ran out
on her), who is working two part-time jobs with no benefits just to keep
a roof over their heads and food on the table.
And can you cite an authoritative reference for that opinion? I suspect
that the majority of the kids that most need parenting reside in a
non-traditional home. Most of the time it is father who is missing.
Sometimes both parents are missing and the kid is raised by grandparents
or aunts. I think that the number of "bad" kids who have grown up in
comfortable middle class settings with both parents living under the
same roof but completely neglecting their parental role is dwarfed by
the number of "bad" kids who had to grow up in horribly dysfunctional
homes through absolutely no fault of their own.
It's just my opinion and hearsay: Credentials: 3 of my 4 grandchildren
are of schoolgoing age (between 5 and 15 now). My daughter and my SIL
are both high school teachers (physics and math).
I agree that certainly in the less advantaged school districts of my
daughter & SIL, the single parent family with LOTS of problems is the
norm, but that doesn't exclude the neglacting by other families.
While I was at a UC during the 90's my boss served on various
I was able to share in the knowledge he gleaned from serving on these
One that applies well to the discussion at hand was a committee
"undergraduate learning experience".
UC's real mission is research, teaching of undergrads is "sidelight".
One of the biggest takeaways was ......
undergrads working (jobs unrelated to their majors) had insufficient
time to adequately address their studies.
But the real secret was, most weren't working to pay for school,
they were working for the "extras"; cars, entertainment, 'toys',
Their undergrad studies were not their top or only priority,
they had chosen to spread themselves thin and their education suffered
as a result.
I see this as a failure of parenting,
failure to instill the concept of learning / study as full time
(actually more than full time) work.
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