On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 08:38:53 -0700 (PDT), leza wang
She needs to lookk first for something she can get into and out of
easily, and will be able to 5 years from now with anticipated
deterioration. It needs to be something she can see well out of as
well - no thick A-pillars blocking peripheral vision (means no front
side curtain air bags) It also needs to be something she can "wear"
A new Corolla would quite likely fit the bill. Some of the CUVs are
easier for old folks to get into and out of, and sitting higher, give
them better visibility as well. My step-mom LOVES her Matrix (no
longer available new). She just turned 80.
A good friend and longtime VW Golf/Jetta owner just switched to a
Corolla S (He's 80 too).
My sister-in-law and brother just traded their 2014 Fusion for a
Corolla S because she, being a bit on the short side, could not deal
with the blindspot behind the left A pillar - where you could quite
litterally park a transport truck from where she sat.
Around here I see an unexpectedly large number of grey heads driving
My theory: even thought the Element was designed for young people, it
turned out to be an accidental ergonomic boon for older people.
I think they're either out of production or about to go out of
production, but I would have to consider one if I were getting another
I would look at this differently. Instead of looking for a make/model,
identify her *needs* -- both now and in the foreseeable future.
SWMBO wanted a new vehicle (didn't *need* one). Her ORIGINAL short list
of required features (before she had seen anything in a dealership):
- up high (instead of "down low", surrounded by big trucks, etc.
This has a big impact on visibility.
- good visibility; not just being up high enough to see things but also
not having to bob-and-weave to see around various pillars in the
front and rear portion of the vehicle
- lift *onto* instead of *into*/outof rear storage area; easier to lift
something to a particular height and slide it into a wagon, SUV, etc.
than it is to lift it up *over* the lip of the trunk and set it down
*into* the well. (She does this almost daily with her hobby.)
- respectable gas mileage; she doesn't drive much but also isn't keen
on throwing money out the tailpipe!
- driver's seat that goes up and down (even if only manually); this
seems to be something women favor, another visibility issue?
- "substantial"; don't want a piece of tin that will get bounced across
the roadway whenever it is struck by another vehicle (e.g., SmartCar)
- reasonably small (despite other criteria suggesting big!); she
didn't want to drive a big truck, etc.
- easy to get in/out; not having to FALL into the car nor *climb* out of it
- low maintenance costs
After looking at what's available in 2015/16 (vs the last time she purchased
a vehicle), she decided to augment her list:
- power liftgate (because the *onto* storage requirement pushes you
towards a storage area that has a larger "door")
- blind spot monitors (to improve visibility of "road sheep")
- (rear) cross traffic alert (so she doesn't have to twist her neck
to look over her shoulder when backing out of parking spaces)
- rear camera (again, cut down on turning her head -- it seems that as
folks get older, this gets to be more of an issue)
The downside of many of these "requirements" is that you end up
dragging in all sorts of unnecessary prerequisites -- things that
the car manufacturer insists you have in order to get the features
that you *want*. :<
Good luck in your search. Don't rush it. Dealers will always be
pushing you to "buy today" -- tomorrow is usually just as good!
My first consideration, what fits? What is easy enough to get in and
VW has problems right now but it may be possible to get a huge discount.
Don't know how that will shake out.
Hyundai Sonata or the smaller Elantra
Toyota Camry or the smaller Corolla
Ford Fusion or the smaller Focus
Price can vary considerably depending if they get a stripped down
version or a fully loaded model. Right now, Hyundai is offering some
good deals on the 2015 Sonata as the 2016 is now hitting the showroom
There are no really bad cars made these days. Most are dependable and
have a decent warranty but Hyundai has the longest in both time and miles.
Perhaps VW will bring back their 10 year power train warranty.
Just don't buy a manual transmission VW. Clutch replacement is
horrendously expensive due to everything that must be removed to get to it.
Kia has a 100k, 10 year drive train warranty as standard on all their
models. For an additional $2K or so (depending on model) that can be
extended to a factory bumper to bumper warranty. A good deal if you tend
to keep cars for a long time. Whine alot and you can even get a road
hazard warranty thrown in.
Never bought an extended warranty. What you are stating is a 40,000
mile warranty, possibly with deductibles I've not had a car in the past
25 years that cost me more than a couple of hundred for repairs in that
time. I'd have pissed away a lot of money.
Unlike Mitsubishi, the 10 year warranty isn't the only way they can
sell a Kia -----
There are few cars that I wouldn't call GOOD - so I guess there ARE
some "bad" cars. Still better than "good" cars 30 years ago,
I am sorry, being a native Korean, I have no desire to drive Hyundai or
KIA(Hyundai owns KIA by the way) At start up Hyundai's technical mentor
was Mitsubishi. Wife drove Mitsubishi, Eagle Summit once. She collected
most speeding ticket driving this little 2.4 L, AWD model, LOL!
The Koreans out-japped the Japs. They started with a Mitsubishi and
made a much better vehicle out of it (athough they made some pretty
crappy cars in the process-including the Pony)
You'd be hard pressed to GIVE me a Mitsu. My daughter bought an
Elantra GT. Nice car. A lot less money than my second daughter's Honda
ssove Mitsubishi, Eagle Summit once. She collected
My wife's niece bought a Santa Fe Limited with full tilt, top of the
line. No major problem but little things keep popping up endlessly from
day 1. She is single, HS teacher. No one to take care of her car
problem(s). Her dad, my BIL is mechanical illiterate. He is known for
buying always loser in car purchases. Asks me often questions, then go
out buy something I did not recommend. Chevy Lumina Van, Dodge Royal
with electrical problem no one could fix, etc. Now his wife, my wife's
sister has to go out with me to buy their car they are now driving.
Nissan Rogue 2WD.
I'd like the car better with V6 or turbo engine. Reliable car. So far
no trouble other than routine maintenance.
Another funny thing with my BIL is he is AFRAID of towing anything. When
I was pulling 30ft fiver, came out with us for camping sleeping in tent.
Cousins were sleeping in the trailer. He wouldn't even buy a tent
trailer which he could use rear view mirror. When I let him try class C
motor home, he literally freaked out. No rear view mirror but side view
ones only, LOL! He was KiWi in the air force. Damn good HVAC engineer.
Very nice guy but he can't even replace a wall switch when it goes bad.
Afraid of height. Without knowing it first time, I ask his help with my
antenna tower. He absolutely refused to go on the roof of the house.
On 09/29/2015 06:46 PM, email@example.com wrote:
On our honeymoon in Quebec City I rented a first generation Dodge Colt,
which was a rebadged Mitsubichi, figuring a compact would be a little
better for navigating the city than the Continental. I'd driven up in
the Conti, cruising at 100 mph while my bride snoozed. With the Colt,
every time I got up past 25 she started having a panic attack.
In that thing a jaunt up to Sainte-Anne-de-Beaupre was a real adventure.
When I came home from Africa in 1975 I bought a 1972 Colt 1600. I
could not drive that car 15 miles without my legs going to sleep - the
seats were that terrible. My brother had a 1973 Cricket - the one year
they were re-badged Colts, not sunbeams - and his seats were fine.
Both cracked heads and had other problems that were deal-killers.
Never touched another one.
The 1972 Renault, and my '67 Peugeot 204 were both better cars
(definitely better rides) .
On 09/29/2015 09:32 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
My brother had a Peugeot that he really liked that would have been about
the same vintage. He put a lot of high speed miles on it driving out to
his job in the desert.
He had been a Marine in the South Pacific and it wasn't until some time
in the '90s that he would buy a Japanese car, a Tercel to tow behind the
motor home. After that he bought a couple of the larger Toyota sedans.
Camrys? I never could keep the models straight even though I drive a Yaris.
Why are you sorry?
I used to laugh at people buying the original Hyundai Excels. the little
boxes that the paint wore off of. Then they changed. I bought a US
built Sonata Limited in 2007, 2010, 2013. I liked each one more than
the last. Just bought a Korea built 2015 Genesis. Amazing car with all
the options. Amazing quality too. Total of 220,000 miles and only one
warranty repair. Far better record than GM cars I've owned.
I kinda obliged to try at least one Korean brand but old memory is too
strong to forget. I know Sonata is very nice car. It is up there in it's
class. Friend in L/A had a Genesis. Ended up going back to Lexus.
His wife drives Acura TL.
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