Yes, it's the TDI diesel. The market is unpredictable but I don't see
why that would impact the gas engine models, which are the majority in
the US market.
All the manufacturers game the system, VW was just a little sneakier.
Despite all the whining at least VW didn't kill anybody, unlike
Government Motors ignition switches or the lowest bidder exploding airbags.
VW was simply doing what many people who support what they fondly
imagine to be "the free enterprise system" and who oppose government
regulation say corporations are obligated to do: make as much money for
their shareholders as possible.
I'd much rather have the free enterprise system
selling me what I want (fuel mileage and performance)
rather than government telling me what to do.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
How come, don't want to fiddle with your car? You can reproprogram ECU
for example. You modify any part of the car to your heart's content.
Today's cars are more electronics than mechanics. Like Volvo has more
than 20 microprocessors controlling the car one way or the other.
Engine, transmission, suspension, brakes, drive train, collision
avoidance system.... You name it.
Until they fail! :< I dread having to deal with one of umpteen
little processors deciding to have a nervous breakdown at some
inopportune time. And, despite my education, training, tools, etc.
being HELPLESS to effect a repair, on my own! (short of "replacement")
Also, there seems to be pretty compelling evidence that these things
have been designed on the assumption of a "friendly" (not hostile) operating
environment. Sort of like the folks who design insulin pumps and never
consider that someone might want to maliciously *hack* a device which
is responsible for the short term health of a human -- just to prove they
(ditto pace makers, etc.)
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 08:40:37 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
The book "unsafe at any speed" did NOT kill the Corvair. It actually
prolonged it's life. What killed the Corvair was the Camaro. It was a
LOT cheaper to build, and could command a higher price, so more
profit. GM hung on with the corvair untill 1969 - 2 or 3 years after
bringing out the Camaro -
Unsafe at any speed was published in 1965, after the "problem" with
the corvair had already been solved in production.. (1964 was the last
year of "first generation" Corvairs with the same rear suspension
geometry as the VW and Porsche of the same time period.) The 1965 to
69 Corvairs shared the same rear suspension geometry as the Corvette.
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 10:22:30 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
The sales of the Corvair dropped significantly just after September
1966, when the new Camaro came out. It was less expensive and was
available with the VERY healthy 302 Z28 option - which took a lot of
sales from the Turbocharged Monza..
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 20:39:40 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
Not only did the corvair not share "many" parts, the power train
parts were quite expensive to build. The engine block, heads, and cyls
were all very different in manufacturing concept to ANY other north
American engine and were much more expensive to manufacture than even
a high output V8
The transaxle was totally unique as well.
My impression is the problem is with the diesels, with about 450,000 in
the US. I can't find a breakdown but I don't think they've sold that
many New Beetles so I assume the bulk of the TDIs are in Jettas followed
Europe is where it will get ugly.
Yup. The fallout here will be "by association"... folks ignorant of
details and just seizing on the words "VW" and "cheating".
You also have a lot more voices and axes to grind in Europe. Lots
of "officials"/politicians to answer to -- and folks who want to
make political hay of this sort of thing.
If I was running the show, I'd go out of my way to *quickly* clean house
and uncover and disclose EVERYTHING that MIGHT be pertinent. I'd even
publish the source code so third parties could examin it to identify
the extent of the "problem" as well as being able to "rebuild it"
(i.e., take a blank ECU and install software that is, theoretically,
identical to the software described in the source code listings to
PROVE that the source code tells the entire story).
Yeah, this is considered trade secret material. But, your pants are
down around your ankles, time to suck it up and take your medicine!
(other car manufacturers undoubtedly have the essence of any of
the *legitimate* algorithms already sorted out... you're not really
giving away much other than your pride -- which you already
lost when you committed/admitted the offense!) Get it over and
done with. Don't give anyone the opportunity to claim you should
have been *more* open ("Hey, we gave you the source code, what more
do you want??")
Some VW cars resemble Audi counter part.
Tourag is pretty nice SUV, built sturdy. Neighbor has one with V8 and
I'd rather drive this one than big Lincoln Navigator. Eventually
we'll end up with one car when one of us loses driver's license. I am
sure that'll be me. Wife does not care what brand or what type car as
long as it's seat fits her and it is AWD no matter what. Everyone in my
family drives AWD vehicles. Jeep, Subaru, Acura. On top of that we have
to fit snow/ice tires in winter, she insists. Tire change over is my
job having air tools and good compressor but some 18" tires are getting
heavier by the year. I just passed medical to extend the license for 5
more years. After that medical every year. Went to niece's wedding who
is marrying E. Indian. Had Hindu ceremony which was interesting. She is
a PhD in forensic science working at RCMP crime lab. Boy is Nuclear
safety engineer with MBA, interesting couple. Family gained one more
engineer, Way too many engineers and MD in the family, not a lawyer yet.
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:30:10 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
OK I'll try again, Wiesel VWs were about 40% of the North American
market. (Those 2 letters are right next to each other too --- Darn
that "fat finger syndrome" AND this old keyboard that has most of the
letters pretty well worn off
On 09/27/2015 06:56 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I can't find a current article easily but
“While diesel cars and pickup trucks make up only three percent of the
overall U.S. vehicle market, most analysts predict continued growth in
the U.S., with many believing the diesel market will double by 2018.”
This is more current:
"It’s a small market—about 3 percent of the total US passenger vehicle
fleet, about 7-8 million cars—but one VW dominates. In 2013, it reported
it accounted for more than 70 percent of “clean diesel” passenger
vehicle sales. "
Extrapolating, the 40% figure may be right.
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