No cash accepted

The banks want to rule the world and take a little piece from all of us.. i use debit and credit cards at times, but I prefer to use cans for most purchases, especially under about $100. I see no reason a bank should get a cut of the deal.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/07/13/visa_challenge_offers_small_businesses_10_000_to_eliminate_cash_rely_on.html
There is something knowing about the title of Visa’s latest initiative, the Visa Challenge, in which the payment company will offer 50 restaurants, cafes, and food trucks $10,000 each to eliminate cash payments. “We are declaring war on cash,” a Visa spokesman told the Associated Press.
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Did you mean to write "use cash"? Not picking on a typo, but I just want to make sure.

I saw that story, I haven't looked into it, but the whole concept of "legal tender for all debts public and private" might seem to be in conflict with this plan.
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On 7/16/2017 11:34 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:

Should be cash. Cans are worth 5 cents to redeem though.
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On 7/16/2017 3:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

I blame spell check. They let stuff go if spelled correctly even if sentence does not make sense.
Used to get a 5 cent return on bottles here in DE but now we throw away the bottles and the state still charges the deposit but they keep it to help pay for recycling at the dump.
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On 07/16/2017 06:11 PM, Frank wrote:
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I've had problems with that now. Often, the "mutant words" and 'not' and 'now', which can give the sentence opposite meaning. Worse than lose/loose or breath/breathe, some of the cost common errors.

Here, they have "curbside recycling" where they take mixed paper, plastic, and metal (no glass). Sometimes I've wondered it it's really just a way to get people to wash most of their trash.
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wrote:

Recycling is just a make work program for people unqualified to do anything else. The only thing that actually have a cash value is aluminum cans in most places. Paper and plastic ends up costing more to ship than it is worth and the environmental impact is usually worse too. Glass is really totally useless. We should be putting aluminum and maybe steel in the recycle, paper and plastic should be in the burn barrel (for a waste to energy plant) and everything else should just go to the land fill either before or after it is burned.
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On 7/17/2017 1:12 PM, snipped-for-privacy@aiol.com wrote:

Why is glass useless? It may not be economically sensible to ship glass scrap very far, but the glass plant near us used every bit they could get. They made mostly bottles and jars.
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On 07/17/2017 12:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

There was a local scheme to crush glass and use it to partially replace aggregate in asphalt. Glassphalt is not a new idea but it didn't work out.
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Clear glass may be good for jars but mixed, colored glass is not useful for much except maybe brown beer bottles and they seem too uniform to be using much in the way of other colors. I agree, if you can hit the glass plant throwing your empty, it may be worth recycling them but trucking glass half way across the country is not.
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On 7/18/2017 1:00 AM, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

Clear glas must be clear. When our town started recycling at the dump they has a container for clear, another for colored. One colored bottle would contaminate a big container of clear. There was always some idiot. . .
I've been told the best glass has some content of recycled in it. http://www.gpi.org/recycling/glass-recycling-facts
Never thought about it going into fiberglass but they take it too.
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That does not change the fact that most glass in "recycle bins" gets sent to the land fill. We don't sort ours before we set it on the curb, creating make work jobs for a bunch of low skilled workers and I think they burn everything but the metal. They were just shipping it to the landfill until the paper got wind of that. This is a boondoggle all around because the indians get the first shot at the electricity coming out of the waste to energy plant at a nickel a KWH for their reservations and casinos. Granted we are 500-1000 miles away from any reprocessing plants for just about any recyclable. Even the scrap value of metal has dropped to the point that we do not have "scrappers" anymore. It used to be that any piece of metal you set on the curb was gone in a day. Now they don't even come for copper and aluminum.
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On 07/18/2017 07:20 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

I worked for a company that made the polystyrene foam clamshells for McDonalds. One of the advantages of thermoplastics is you can grind the defective product and feed it back into the line. The clamshells had a tan color rather than the pure white of virgin styrene, part of which was due to the amount of regrind being used. McDonald's is a very demanding customer and would use colorimeters to ensure the product was the same exact shade. If the process was running right and there wasn't much regrind that required tinkering.
That whole history is educational. McDonalds went from the original paper wrapping to foam to save the trees or something. Then they went back to paper/cardboard to save the landfills. Both were marketing decisions based on what the public's perception was at the moment.
I've been out of that industry for a long time and don't know what is used today but we were using freon by the railroad tank car for the blowing agent. That wouldn't fly today. The best part of the job was ice cream cones were made in another part of the plant. You could eat the defective parts. Sugar cones hot off the press are good!
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On 7/18/2017 11:52 AM, rbowman wrote:

I worked in foam plastics for 47 years. Our blowing agen was pentane. About 15 years ago we had to capture emission, but it did not have the bad rap that CFCs had. Nevertheless, all foam plastics were bad to an uninformed public.
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On 7/18/2017 11:52 AM, rbowman wrote:

Company I worked for used recycle polymer in two of their most profitable products. There was a color problem but these products did not have to be clear. They did not brag about being environmentally friendly by using recycle. Customer did not need to know and might want to pay less.
Our dump takes glass, paper, cans and plastic but does not want polystyrene or plastic bags. People do not realize that all this crap must be separated and cleaned. I keep telling this to my wife that it does not matter if she washes PET soda bottles or not. Only reason to do is perhaps keep down smell of trash can in the garage.
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On 07/18/2017 10:29 AM, Frank wrote:

I think it was '71, sometime during the oil embargo, when I was at the NPE in Chicago and material of any type was hard to come by. I remember talking to one guy who had to take two carloads of styrene toilet seats for regrind to get one of virgin styrene. We sold thermoset molding systems so regrind wasn't an option. There was a lot creativity with replacing compounds with stuff derived from furfural. The stuff flowed like water and the moldmakers had fits adapting to it.
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says...

There is an Alcoa smelter near me. A number of years ago the made more off selling the electricity than aluminum. I thinkthey quit or really scaled back on the smelting and just sold electricity.
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On 7/17/2017 12:41 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

Same crap here. Incredibly stupid. Dump was originally recycling at the dump but could not afford it but now they could with getting tax they could. This is as it is done in some other places. I hard in Florida someplace 5 separate containers required. Ever other vehicle on the road there must be a garbage truck. This is what happens when politicians give a solution to a technical problem.
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On 7/16/2017 10:24 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Such businesses will probably lose more than $10K in cash business, so, the initial payout of $10K might be attractive, but what happens when those businesses revert back to cash businesses when they start losing money?
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I know of some small bussiness that only take cash. No checks or credit cards. Mainly restraints. Some of them do have a bank cash machine in them where you can put in your card and get cash back.
I use cards all the time when I can. I pay them off and use the one that gives the most cash back. That means carrying around abut 5 cards, not counting on the store discount/rewards cards.
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On 07/16/2017 11:29 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
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That happened when I needed a money order, and the store would only take cash. It seemed strange that they had no objection to my getting cash from the ATM five feet from the counter (that is, I actually used a debit card).
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