On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:20:51 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
There was no logic after I stopped mentioning that furnace and water
heater are independent on the same stack.
Just repetition of name-calling and endless cut and paste.
BTW, your "logic" doesn't get many raves around here either.
Geez, we just had an exchange about cell phones or something, and you
But I'm not talking about cell phones now.
So fuck you.
No logic? I gave you references from:
Home Inspection Website
All of them address the issue of orphaned chimneys. And
all say you are dead wrong. It really isn't a hard concept to
grasp. A chimney that is too large for the appliance it
serves will have slow moving combustion gases passing
through it. In winter, in cold climates, the water in those
gases condenses. Natural gas produces acidic condensate
which, over time, will cause the mortar in chimneys to
fail. If this condensate is not acidic and capable of damage,
why do some jurisdictions require neutralizers on
condensate drains from natural gas furnaces? If it's
potentially bad for a drain system, why is it OK to put
it into a masonry chimney? When the chimney had both
a furnace and a water heater, it was kept warm enough
by the furnace in the cold of winter so that the gases of
both the furnace and the water heater could not condense.
I also showed you photos of chimneys with damage from
that problem. You claimed that no such problem exists and
that no chimneys have been damaged by it. And I pointed
out that the National Fuel Gas Code specifies the min
and max chimney sizes permitted for given appliances
connected to that chimney. You told us it didn't matter.
Until you told us it did matter, but only because of
drafting. Truth is both issues are factors.
BTW, where are YOUR references, that say the orphaned
chimney problem does not exist?
No, the only name calling was at the very end. And as per
k, it was the conclusion after all the evidence was given.
Too bad trader ain't one of them.
Hey, I don't like who I don't like. Get used it or kill-file me.
Or whatever you choose.
You can go ahead and find him useful if you like.
What's with the "liberal" stuff?
"Cracker" got your knees jerking again?
It would seem to me that when lib Congressmen claim that
calling Susan Rice incompetent is racist, that using the
"cracker-barrel" term is fair game for racism too. Of course
libs have some mighty strange rules.....
This is no brainer. Higher efficiency furnaces and higher SEER a/c
units. I got digned pretty bad when I upgraded ~20 yo system during
summer time. 98% efficiency furnace, 18SEER a/c and HRV box, wireless
thermostat, etc. I had to cancel my summer vacation to pay for it, LOL!
Utility bill shows slight barely noticeable power and gas savings.
What was the efficiency of the 20 year old system?
Having a barely noticeable energy savings on gas and
electric when replacing a system that old would seem
to be very unusual. I put in a new 93% gas furnace
and 14 SEER AC two years ago and the difference was
large. It cut my gas bill almost in half, summer AC by
about 30% or so.
The issue is about the higher costs of more efficient heating/cooling
Issues regarding venting are only the effect, not the cause, of the
This article came from a New Jersey news source and in New Jersey they are
more concerned with heating than air conditioning. Had a similar article
been written for Atlanta, the writers would have dwelled on a/c costs with
only a passing mention of heating systems.
Flue gas exhaust from a furnace contains water
vapor. If you can condense some of that steam
back to water, you can get more heat from the
Christopher A. Young
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What's condensing in a furnace?? Never heard of that before.
I havn't known that to be a problem. The condensate does tend to be strongly
acidic. I put in a 90 percenter in my own home, I think it was year 2004. It
has been repaired once since then. The draft inducer fan went dead, and I
had to go buy another one.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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