Load center replacement

[bob haller]

bud ignores the over 18,000 google hits on this subject......

He lives in a delusional world, where everything is fine

[bud--]

You said previously it is a small house and 100A is plenty. It is another hallerb fetish.

[bud--]

I have been a licensed master electrician for over 35 years.

Was my mother's old house that was upgraded by licensed electricians "molested"?

My point through this whole thread is that generalizing between different states (and countries) is not always valid.

[bob haller]

if a upgrade of panel capacity was 75 bucks would it be worth it? a future buyer might want a electric kiln in the basement or other power hungry thing like a shop and buy just on the basis of ease of upgrading for their special use..

[krw]

Then he can spend the $75. Compared to the kiln or shop, the $75 is trivial.

[bob haller]

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no you missed my point, the new main panel 200 amp may only cost 75 bucks than a 100 amp panel. when i last priced panels the difference was amazingly small......... when done as part of a main panel replacement.....

[krw]

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...let the next guy do it.

BTW, an ellipsis has only three dots (some allow four if it's a complete sentence).

[clare]

I wouldn't bet against it.

[clare]

If the upgrade was $75 it would be a no-brainer - but it's not - so it's not. There is NO downside to having a bigger service than required.

[clare]

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And the upgrade to the service - before the panel - is $1700 plus trenching costs (including lifting and relaying the brick driveway)

[Pete C.]

You can probably special order the version of the panel with the enclosure that does not include knockouts. I haven't had to do that for a panel, but I routinely do that for pull boxes and troughs and use step drills and hydraulic punches to put the exact hole config I want in.

[clare]

Residential panels, at least here in Canada are not available unpunched. Special oder means BIG BUCKS and LONG WAIT TIMES.

[clare]

There is really no other way to do the job,here in Waterloo. The service layout REQUIRES replacement of the meter base, and installing anything less than the 200 amp rated cable for 2 feet would not make any sense at all.(if it would even be allowed)

[bud--]

Let me try again. Did the licensed electricians "molest" my mother's old house? Does your FUD include work done by electricians?

[bob haller]

been molested, but it still doesnt make it efficent, as safe as current co= de, modern or convenient.:(

do tell does your moms home still have a fuse box? a outlet for every

6 feet of wall? multiple 20 amp outlets in kitchen? GFCIs for kitchen bath and outdoor outlets? are major appliances all on their own circuit? are all cieling light circuits isolated from all receptables? so a tripped breaker or blown fuse doesnt create a lights out and trip hazard? was all the K&T removed? I ask because the K&T insulation fails and falls off over time.

bud protests a lot, its possible he is attempting to convince himself all is well at moms house while it might not be.....

does moms house have working smoke detectors and carbon monoxide detectors? have you had the chimney cap inspected?

is moms house truly safe?

[clare]

That depends an awfull lot on the "electrician", doesn't it????

[clare]

been molested, but it still doesnt make it efficent, as safe as current code, modern or convenient.:(

Is the ground around the outhouse well stabilized by turf, or is it muddy.(slip and fall hazard) Is the coal chute wall solid enough to keep the pile from collapsing into the rest of the celar? Or does it still have a woodshed instead? Is the ash bin still solid, or is it rusted through in the corner? Does she keep the ask bin in the woodshed or on the front porch?? (bad idea - many fires caused by hot ashes in the ashbin on the porch) Or is she using plug-in electric heaters on the K&T circuits?

[bud--]

modern or convenient.:(

A huge percentage of houses do not meet the current code. There is no requirement that they do.

Most people at a.h..r probably don't have a house that meets the current NEC.

My house, originally wired with rigid pipe and upgraded multiple times, does not meet all current NEC requirements for new construction. Contrary to your FUD is safe and efficient.

receptables[sic]?

Not all of that is even code.

Everyone at a.h.r needs to upgrade their house to meet the current NEC. hallerb says so.

You are dumb as a rock

I have actually worked wit h K&T and don't have a fetish.

It was last time I was there before it was sold.

In this thread you have got wrong:

- Clare needed to convert to breakers because of homeowners insurance.

- you can't get insurance for fuses

- you can never get insurance for K&T

- you can never get insurance for K&T from State Farm

- there is a "great chance of a loss" (K&T is intrinsically unsafe)

- there are no boxes with K&T

- if you open a wall with K&T it is "mandatory to upgrade"

- homes with K&T can't be insulated

- "posts here from insurance workers statements about K&T being uninsurable"

- everyone's house should comply with current NEC requirements for new construction

[clare]

I've seen some AWFULL electrical work in Florida - done and inspected

[Pete C.]

That's one nice thing about the Square D QO series, it's routinely used in commercial applications as well as residential so there are more options available.