Is there an equation to compare heating costs of propane versus electricity to heat a bedroom?

Oct 12, 2023 Last reply: 2 years ago 157 Replies

Nearly impossible in my house. Solid-bock masonry walls with 1/2" furring strips and old, rock-hard drywall skim coated with rock-hard plaster. For 1/2" of insulation, it's just not worth it.

The attic has more than 12" of blown-in insulation.

Seems to work ok. My house is amazingly inexpensive to heat.

I've never owned a home younger than me. I like living in a house built like a fireworks factory.

Depends on the walls What is the construction? Frame? yes. Concrete block? not so easy. Brick, the way it was done years ago? No.

In cold climates can make a difference, but with a slab, has to be done during construction.

Yes, but my house built five years ago had wall insulation to code, but the option was to add insulation to the concrete block, so we did. There are a few methods to do it.

Newer ones may have some kind of protection -- I can't imagine what -- but heating pads can burn your skin if lie on them, esp. if you fall asleep on them. It got my mother once, not too bad but it hurt. People should be careful.

Had one in CT. It was always warm in the winter. You needed a better heater.

I slept on one once, and it was in a dingy unfinsiehed basement, with a dirty furnace. It was scary.

I've never been dissatisfied with inner spring mattresses, but now they keep pushing foam of various sorts. I think it's not because they're better, or even as good, but because they are easier to put in the truck, carry from the truck, and especially since they can be folded or rolled, to carry up the stairs.

Foam has one advantage for me. I have an adjustable bed so the foam will bend when I put the back up to read or watch TV.

I withdraw my suggestion about putting it in the fireplace.

I think I heard that London? had had a cold snap and so many people were running fireplaces (or something else?, darn) that there was smog over London for a while and they had to ask people not to heat their homes so much.

Followed by Sepoa and Saffron Alerts?

Real men use oxyhydrogen... Seriously, if you're working with quartz glass oxyacetylene doesn't get it.

The Northern CA PG&E rates are also dependent on the time of the year. And on your type of heating (electricity for gas-heated homes costs more).

PG&E has Winter Rates & Summer Rates. I don't know which is higher though. The rates for people who heat with electricity are lower (which is not me).

You have to be careful with rate tables because roughly 1/2 the cost per kWh is in its generation which is a separate charge from its distribution.

You get one bill with one page of electrical generation costs, and another page of electrical distribution costs where the county decides by default what your electrical generation company is (they did that a few years ago).

You can switch back to PG&E but the PG&E generation charges are about a penny more per kilowatt hour where I don't know anyone who switched back.

Speaking of radiant heat, a heating option the OP might want to consider is something that produces radiant heat rather than attempting to warm the entire room via heating the air. You see heaters like this in places like auto shops, where the heaters are mounted overhead, and provide some warmth for the workers without attempting to warm the entire room. I have no idea whether this would be more efficient, but it's an option. Floor-standing radiant heaters are also available, and of course, we all benefit from a remotely-located large thermonuclear radiant heater.

I never understood bed mattresses until I had a bad one. Really bad.

I bought it at the Goodwill if that tells you anything about me. When you sat on the edges, they flopped a bit so you slowly slid off.

The Mattress Store mattresses are better but you have to bargain with them. I know people who bought their 900 dollar mattresses for $450 delivered.

I hate bargaining so I wait for a sale somewhere instead as it's easier.

WA state determines the level of pollution on an ongoing basis. They have one level of alert for old fashioned wood heaters, and another for EPA rated, cleaner burning heaters, which are allowed more than the older ones.

A simple thermostat adjustment usually cures that. I had one for many years.

I wonder if the open damper requirement is associated with the pilot light for the log lighter.

I had a queen size water bed from 1984 to 2010 and I liked it. I kept the heater at around 98 degrees F. I bought it when I was single and sold it 9-10 years after I got married. My wife likes to rearrange the bedroom periodically, and it's a pain to move a water bed.

I'm Germanic. My wife is Italic. But when I fill out a form, there's nothing for me. There's Hispanic. But only Spain gets its own type.

I have one too, but I can't believe I paid 80 dollars for it, the price in the link above. It must have been a lot cheaper when I bought it.

Unfortunately, I've been doing a lot less of this stuff and have barely used it. But if you're on a ladder, for example, you really don't want to be using 2 hands to light the torch. And the rest of the time it's very convenient too.

I had one in college with a very low setting until you pressed the lever, but the boyfriend of a summer replacement roommate stole it. Why did I need a propane torch in college, I can't guess.

On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 13:16:20 -0700, Bob F wrote: Bob F wrote on 14.10.2023 16:16>> If you open the fireplace damper, the BTU requirement for a given

There is no "pilot light" per se, as you have to light it mechanically. But you were right that the damper is required for the log lighter.

At first I didn't find it here when I search for "damper" in the CA code.

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But then when I searched here, I found out you're exactly right!
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Installation of fireplaces, decorative gas appliances and gas logs. "Exception to Section 150.0(e)1C: When a gas log, log lighter or decorative gas appliance is installed in a fireplace, the flue damper shall be blocked open if required by the CMC or the manufacturer's installation instructions."

I didn't know what a CMC was but it's explained in this similar cite.

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"Section 150(e) of the California Energy Efficiency Standards requires that masonry or factory-built fireplace shall have the following:

1) Closeable metal or glass doors covering the entire opening of the firebox; 2) A combustion air intake to draw air from the outside of the building directly into the firebox, which is at least six square inches in area and equipped with a readily accessible, operable and tight-fitting damper or combustion-air control device; and Exception: An outside combustion air intake is not required if the fireplace will be installed over concrete slab flooring and the fireplace will not be located on an exterior wall. 3) A flue damper with a readily accessible control. Exception: When a gas log, log lighter, or decorative gas appliance is installed in a fireplace, the flue damper shall be blocked open if required by the manufacturer's installation instructions or the California Mechanical Code."

How did you know?

Yeah, 'White, Non-Hispanic' is an interesting category. I wonder if an actual Spaniard would identify as Hispanic as the term is used in the US?

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