Is there an equation to compare heating costs of propane versus electricity to heat a bedroom?

Like we should use Cons for conservatives. Sounds good.

Forget figuring out how much it costs to run per hour. ALL you need to know is the cost per BTU or cost per "therm" or per "watt equivalent" The cost per hnour comes out in the wash because one runs less than the other for the same heat output (The same temperature rise)

of propane burned you get 1 liter of WATER VAPOUR in the room. In a drafty well ventilated (read that as DRY) house it's not a big problem but in a well sealed house/room it can get pretty swampy after a while.

Electric (or vented propane) do not have this problem

You don't need the fancy math. All you need is the COST PER BTU. All the rest "comes out in the wash"

The problem is the cost of Kerosene -------------Uo here it's about $16.50 Canadian a gallon at retail. Lamp oil is $15 a LITER!!! South of the border in the USA it's $10 US per gallon - about the same at today's exchange rate.

Having worked at an insurance agency for 17 years the question IS on your insurance application and no, insurance companies are NOT in the risk-taking business.

It's for indoor use in your ice fishing shack or hunting shack - not your house

The problem with these baseless lies is not whether or not I should be scared to death but the person who is telling me I should be scared to death is making up these baseless lies because THEY are scared to death.

It happens all the time with home repairs.

Someone asks a question how to fix a roof and these people who foment these scare tactics scream at them to never touch a shingle. It's too dangerous.

They ask on this group how to snake the drains and these same people who spread these scare myths tell you how dangerous it is to snake the pipes.

They ask how to dig up an irrigation pipe and these same fear mongers scream at them how dangerous it is if they broke open a gas pipe.

What are they on a home repair group for anyway? To tell everyone that it's too dangerous to do their own home repair?

They're the ones who should "hire a professional" because they're the ones too scared to do anything. The rest of us can do our own home repair.

We're not scared to death to go outside and pee on the lawn without worrying that the insurance company will negate the insurance as a result.

You haven't been on the thread so you probably don't know they discussed the catalysts are being used and that the devices are safe for indoor use.

Do you know anything about catalytic converters? Do you think cats are safe?

Or are they going to set your grass on fire like they said years ago?

Clare spun wrenches for a living. In other words, he was/is a mechanic.

My mistake. 20 pounds nominal. 5 gallons nominal. 40 pounds nominal filled.

Given it costs two or three times more and there are always fire and gas dangers, I'm probably going to return the propane heater, unopened, and keep the electric heater but I don't need either of them yet so I was thinking of testing them out first when it gets cold.

I don't think I can return the 20 pound propane tank once I filled it (I wouldn't accept it if I was Costco) so I'm stuck with the propane tank.

I could get a gas grill but I also do copper repairs once in a while so that's why I have my blue 1 pound propane tank but it's not refillable.

You can refill them but they're not designed to be refilled. Only the Flame King brand sells refillable tanks it seems. They make them better quality.

A gas bbq might be nice since I use my wood fired pizza oven to cook meats. It can get a gas contraption I think but I just use the wood pan for fuel.

Thanks for advising that the cost per BTU is the important metric. Nothing is given in costs per BTU though. So math is still needed.

I don't know how to calculate cost per BTU but using Ed's numbers, 1 watt is 3.412141633 BTU/hour with my electricity bill averaging about $0.25/kWh.

A kilowatt hour must be 3,412.141633 BTU/hour so that is $0.25 for it. Does that make the price per BTU about 7.327e-5 (cut and pasted from my Windows calculator which hurts my brain to think in "e-5" numbers).

From my buddy who says it takes an hour to heat a room, and from our calculations that took about 10,000 BTU expended on average, then maybe I can get rid of the "e-5" calculating the cost per 10,000 BTU instead.

I don't know how to run those numbers so I think math is still needed. Do you know how to calculate the cost per BTU for propane & electricity?

Oh. Good. He'd know all about them then. Maybe he can help us figure out if these propane heaters are using a catalytic converter like others said.

It would probably take you 20 seconds to find a calculator for that online.

Yup ... 30 second google search :

Put it on Craigslist and/or Facebook Marketplace

Do YOU know anything about catalytic converters? You seem to think they are 100% effective and they're not.

And your question was artful, that is, phrased as a question so it can't be a direct lie, but implying these heaters use catalytic converters. How do you know the device in question has one? Isn't that something they would brag about on the box if they did? Yes, it is, so they don't have one. They use platinum, palladium and rhodium as the catalysts in cars, 3 of the most expensive metals. With a 30,000 car, their cost is a tiny percentage (and it's the law anyhow) but with a $90 heater, I think it would raise the price by a substantial %.

"They have a low oxygen sensor that will shut them off automatically." So what sort of sensor is it, how does it work and how often does it fail? Does it get overdosed with age and fail?

Irrelevant here, but no. The purpose of the cats was to make the air as a whole cleaner, but not to make exhaust gas so clean you can breathe it safely. People still kill themselves with auto exhaust gas, don't they? Even though their car has a cat.

Do YOU think cats are safe?

Artfully phrased. Instead of denying a fact, you asked about it. They said it because it is true. Not short grass that doesn't come close to the cat, probably not fresh plump green grass, but yes, they do. In fact we even had a young woman post here to AHR to whom this had happened, and iirc to make it worse, it was her father's car.

How come you don't know that, and how come you didn't answer my post where I asked how you know the warnings are baseless and how you know the warnings are lies? Because you don't have any good answers to those questions, right?

Not "others", just one, and he didn't say it. He *asked* if someone knew anything about catalytic converters, but he didn't say these had one. Did he just forget to include a statement that they do, or was that intentional artfulness? If he just forgot, he should be more careful in the future because it reminds one of a very common technique of liars, to ask, in order to put ideas, including false ideas, in people's heads. It's somewhat similar to "many people are saying", when in fact no one is saying it except the liar who is talking and maybe his paid and unpaid stooges.

And they don't. Read my other post from today.

Other than maybe the size, I think this is what you've been talkilng about:

Anyhow, in this case it says " Portable propane heater designed for emergency heat, tents, campers, job sites, porches, decks, garages, tailgates, barns, sheds, ice fishing, hunting blinds, and more" They probably get ths text from the manufacturer, and clearly they are not willing to say you can use it indoors. If when your widow sues them, her lawyer argues that "more" included your bedroom, they will say, "No it didn't".

The problem with your posts is not so much that you don't know what you're talking about but that you say things you don't know are true or not but say them affirmatively which such assurance, while calling people liars who are most likely honest, but you refuse to say how you know whether they are right or not.

Your style is very rare here.

Salesmen often have moderately good ideas that they claim are the best methods, but even they don't label those with other methods to be liars.

I've never seen anyone say it's too dangerous to fix a roof, either here or in the print or electronic media. People fix roofs every day. With

Again no one has ever said that here. I've been reading this group every day for 25 or 30 years and no one has ever said that.

That does happen. Don't you understand how that can happen and how even if it doesn't cause an explosion it still means they have to pay for an emergency crew to come and fix it. In Maryland you should call Miss Utility before you dig. Every state has a phone number. When I called, they came out the next day.

(I've met Miss Utility. She was very pretty, as nice as Miss Turnstiles.

Find a post in the last month, in the last year, where someone said that.

I know I can. I don't know about you, jumping to the false conclusion that a heater has a cat, that it's safe indoors, even when the vendor doesn't say it.

I've avoided being personal but I'll go this far. You are positioning yourself as a wacko.