I needed some wood screen doors for my cabin. After shopping around, and
finding all sorts of things from $160 to $600 per, I was overwhelmed.
One day I'm in Home Depot. I had gotten the price of $160 each there, and
wifey says, "Put the damn things up."
We get ahold of the door guy. Takes him about 15 minutes to appear. We ask
about wood screen doors, and HOLY SMOKE, BATMAN! here's a guy that knows
something about doors. Takes us straight to them.
He takes us to two 1 1/8" ash frame doors with extruded aluminum inserts
with screen. He says they are $89 each, but one is damaged, and not for
sale. I said to check with the manager and I'd take it if he made me a
deal. The screen had pulled out on one corner. A two minute no cost repair
He disappears and comes back. He says we can have it for $50, a $39
discount. Hey, we're still under the price we got before for ONE, so we say
okay. He puts them on a cart for us and scribbles something on a paper and
says to give it to the cashier.
We do so. She rings up two doors at $39 each. My wife and I make eye
contact, but don't say a word. We pay the girl, and then run like hell.
$320 worth of doors for $78 plus tax.
Home Depot does suck, but sometimes their stupidity and ineptness works
towards my side of the fence.
Man, those doors look good on my cabin. And the price was right, too.
Yeah. I remember all those times when, if I hadn't pointed it out to the
cashier that they would have OVER charged me on many items. Funny why that
isn't a two way street.
As to your sermon on honesty:
watch out for a man who says he's honest. he'll probably lie about other
things as well.
mark twain or will rogers or someone. not me. HONEST!
And never made the claim to be anything other than what I am. Unlike people
here who have never cheated or taken a discount for a mistake.
There was one man like that, but he died a very long time ago.
You have to get over the idea that it matters how honest the people
criticizing you are. This is about you and how others act doesn't
Are you claiming that no one who has ever done the same thing can
criticize someone else for doing somethings wrong, whether it is
illegal, immoral, unsafe, unhealthy, or unkind?
Because it's not true. Sometimes they are in the best position to
know what is wrong.
In a few cases, there is no one else present to say what is wrong
except people who have done it. Are you saying they shouldn't say
anything? Someone has to speak up.
It's also nonsense when people say that if the parents when teenagers
or 20's used drugs, committed vandalism, etc. they can't tell their
children not to do those same things. Of course they can, if they now
think that their kids shouldn't do drugs or commit vandalism. Do
people who were vandals have to raise children who think there is
nothing wrong with vandalism? Of course not. If that were the case,
the world would get worse and worse and never and nowhere would it get
Back to the original topic, if people have gotten money the way you
describe or outright stolen, if they've done it and don't tell people,
that probably means they are ashamed, and if they haven't stopped
already, being ashamed is the first step towards stopping.
What makes your case worth criticism is that you are talking about it.
You weren't ashamed at all. And talking about it is worse than the
original act. When you take 61 dollars that wasn't meant for you,
it's a straight 61 dollars. But when you talk about it in public, you
encourage who knows how many people to do the same sort of thing. So
the transgression multiplies by a factor of 4 or 10 or 100. And if
they see you talking, they may talk about it themselves after they do
it, or even if they don't do it and only you announced that you did.
So that spreads the encouragement to everyone those 4 or 10 or 100
If one is going to do things like this, he should be ashamed of it and
not tell anyone, because hearing that someone else did some thing like
this makes other people jealous, of the money, and they'll want to do
the same thing. It mitigates the instruction their parents or their
religious teachers may have given them not to do such things.
So get off your high horse, that you imagine you are one, complaining,
and learn to keep your less than right things to yourself.
I'll give you credit for not using the word hypocrite, which most
people use where it doesn't apply. A person would only be a
hypocrite if he, for example, acted like he had never stolen anything
when he had, or acted like he didn't now when he still did.
But no one here said how honest they were, and no one was a hypocrite
even if some are dishonest.
I hear people piss and moan all day every day here about Home Depot, Lowe's,
and the other borgs. The reaction I got was not what I expected.
I guess people who have gotten things by mistake just haven't weighed in
yet, or cared to take the time to write about their own experience.
All I've heard from are the hypocrites.
I got something at a break from a company that would have and has taken
advantage of me on many previous occasions. I do not feel guilty. They
fucked up big time on two sets of double doors once. As I see it, they
still owe me money.
As for all the bleeding heart liberal hypocrites, preach to someone who
might either buy what they're selling, or at least be interested. I'm not.
I can live with what happened. I'm an adult. I'll cope.
Ah yes, I see that Steve believes that two wrongs CAN make a right.
Then I wonder why he's continuing to reply to posts on this thread?
What amazes me about Steve, is that he's got no shame about admitting
that both he AND his wife conspired to pay less than they'd already
mentally commited to paying. Those two must truly be made for each other.
I suppose in a weird way that makes Steve honest, at least about
confessing how they both took advantage of a Home Depot employee's
mistake. And, bragged about it right here on usenet where G-d knows who
will be able to read about their "good fortune" for a loooooong time.
I express the same amazement over people who brag to me about how
they're scamming the tax man whenever they can, and go into great detail
to prove to me just how "clever" they are. I sure wish they'd keep it to
themselves, and if they start barfing off about it, even if it's in
front of a bunch of other people, I point out that a portion of what
they gain by cheating on their taxes is coming out my pocket, and the
pockets of everyone else who pays taxes.
I have a framed sign on my office wall reading:
There is no right way to do the wrong thing.
(Thomas Huxley 1825-1895)
It states exactly how we strive to treat our clients, and woe be it to
any employee of mine who doesn't adhere to that principle.
Dishonest and stupid too if you can't see the difference.
And someone who says he's dishonest, like you diD, I'm certain lies
and cheats other times too. The reason you're telling the truth is
you know that no one from here is going to go after you here.
If you were honest you would have told the cashier what you and the
clerk had agreed upon for the price.
You already said you told them when they were going to overcharge you.
They didn't owe you any money.
BTW, neither Lee nor I said we were honest. We said you were
dishonest. Your attempt to attack those who point out the truth
failed because you don't read carefully or you're stupid.
This is more a question of: are you a moral absolutist or a moral
relativist? A moral absolutist would be against not pointing out to the
clerk that she was undercharging for the doors. A moral relativist might
say: well, HD has made lots of profit off of me over the years (before
Lowe's started springing up), and they provide crappy customer service, so
it is not immoral for me to get these doors for this price.
I am in the moral relativism camp, myself -- seems more fair. I hate
Steve, two short sentences is hardly a 'sermon'.
What rather surprized me is that you seem to be
downright proud that you ripped off a store for
around $250! Your questioning of other's honesty
is simply a red herring. A distraction, not a
I do hope that you are young and will develop
a better conscience through the years.
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