I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.
My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands, or you think I should do something else?
Thanks a lot.
"leza wang" wrote in message
I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the
video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner,
so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.
My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands,
or you think I should do something else?
Thanks a lot.
Leza Did you buy this house without first seeing it? There seems to be
to many things wrong with it?WW
Sounds like a house a friend bought. She bought the house up in
cottage country because it was cheap. It was sold as a "4 season" home
and it has no foundation(sitting on concrete blocks) and no insulation
in the floors. In March when she bought it, everything was level - the
roof ridge was straight, and all doors and windows operated.
Throughout the winter the ridgepole was up to 8 inches out of line and
most windows would not operate. By March it was straight again - but
the heating bill for the winter was about $2000. There were all kinds
of electrical issues and plumbing issues. Now she can't afford to
keep living in it - so she needs to sell it. Good luck.
People who don't know about houses shopuldn't buy them without the
assistance of someone who does. ( same goes for buying used cars, as
far as that goes)
Good for you Tony. Not everyone has the good fortune of being able to not
having to buy used. Since you never had to buy a pre-owned house, you
haven't any experience with them. Probably time for you to shut your trap.
But only in the basement and maybe the patio. Walking down the
stairs** I was impressed at how much nicer the stairs looked than the
basement. Not everyone's basement is at all "finished".
**I like that btw. You had lost the Hitchcock touch in many of your
videos, but this one defintely had it. By the time you got to the
bottom of the stairs I was scared to death. When you backed out of
the stairwell, I was sure someone was going to grab you. Did you
post this video, or was it your kidnapper? And what does he want to
On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 19:04:01 -0700 (PDT), leza wang
That hole was put there for a reason so it would be good to find out
why before you fill it in. There may have been a leak and the
previous owner made the hold to act as a drain field or a sump. It
may have been to access sewer pips running around there, as to repair
a leak. Or is may have been a hiding place for gold.
Is the hole dry? If so, you can fill it easily. If the hole wet? If
so, you want to find the reason and stop it before filling the hole.
If you are sure you want it filled, you can use any combination of
rocks, dirt, sand. Bring it in a bucket at a time.
On Saturday, July 6, 2013 11:02:25 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Agree. And she has no experience with the house in various
conditions, ie like after heavy rains for 4 days. Maybe it fills
with water for all we know.
There is a *lot* wrong with this house. Best advice I can give is
that she needs to find a competent home inspector and get the whole
house inspected to find out the extent of everything that is wrong.
It doesn't make sense to be fixing one thing here, one thing there,
only to find out a year later that there are very serious problems
that require a tear-out of all the work you'be just done to fix
correctly. The few things she has found already could be just the
And for an example of how you could wind up doing work for
nothing, there is the basement window example. Apparently she removed
pavers and poured concrete right up to the window. Two things wrong
there. First, it was apparently graded the wrong way. Second, by
pouring a slab instead of pavers, the water has no place to go and
is brought right to the window to pour into the basement.
She needs a complete home inspection, which should have been done
before purchase. There is no way of knowing what all is wrong and
it could be tens of thousands of dollars of trouble here.
Some of you guys can be a real downer when she's still in the middle
of fixing things. Are you trying to break her spirit? You don't
know what the rest of the house looks like, what she paid, or how much
money she has. I've long noticed in this group and others that some
people write like everything can be fixed with money and everyone has
enough money to do so. It's not true. Many people have to put up
with things far less than perfect because they don't have as much
money as others do.
On Sunday, July 7, 2013 4:20:58 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
That's why I suggested getting a competent professional in to
do a complete inspection and find out the real scope of all the
problems. She's already poured some money into
an "improvement" that was work for nothing because instead of
solving a problem, it's making it worse.
I've long noticed in this group and others that some
I think most of the time people here give very practical and good
advice and there are a range of possible options covering various
price points. The overall thing here that stands out is that no
one without experience should ever buy a house without a house
inspection. If you do that, you could be paying $100K for a house
that is worth $20K. That's not to break someone's spirit or be
mean, it's just the truth.
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT), " email@example.com"
That you think it is the truth, or even that something is the truth,
does not mean that one has chosen the right time to express it.
It's of no value to her to be told she should have hired an inspector
before she bought the house, because she's bought the house already,
and she's in the middle of fixing it up. This can be a joyful
experience, as one by one, the problems get fixed. Instead, such
advice may turn it into months or years of berating oneself while
awake, and inabiltiy to sleep. If things go badly all-in-all, she
won't need you to convince her to hire an inspector before the next
house. She'll figure it out herself, or she'll hear about it later.
At any rate, a separate thread or inclusion in some other thread will
make the same point to everyone else who might benefit by hearing it.
On Monday, July 8, 2013 5:54:11 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
It is the truth plain and simple. And in my world, it's far better
to tell someone how to avoid a potential disaster, so they learn,
instead of sugar coating the obvious. Do you disagree that it's
a mistake for someone not experienced in checking out a house to
not get an inspection done before buying it?
Why would you start fixing stuff when you have no idea the
extent of the problems? She already poured a concrete slab
that not only didn't fix anything, but made it worse. She
could do a lot of repairs, pour money into it, only to find
out that to fix other problems that she can't recognize, those repairs she just made need to be torn out.
If that happens, it's not because of my advice.
If things go badly all-in-all, she
Leza is the one that needs to get hear what I and others have
said. Good grief.
All I said was that she needs a competent inspection done to find
out what all is wrong with the house. She should have done that
before the purchase. If she chooses to not do it now, it's another mistake. And I'm not buying that some etiquette says that I'm
not supposed to tell her the truth.
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 15:12:44 -0700 (PDT), " firstname.lastname@example.org"
Are you saying the statements were plain and simple, or that because
something is the truth, it's always the right time to say it?
I take major issue with the latter, and I'll explain why if that is
what you meant.
I think that's the wrong question, and I thought I made clear in the
previous post and even the first one why: She had bought the house
already so it doesn't apply to her. And you're not telling her how
to avoid a potential disaster.
Now you're talking about hiring an inspector after purchase to give
advice about what repairs to make. But in the paragraph you're
replying to I was referring hiring an "an inspector before she bought
the house". Because you had said "She needs a complete home
inspection, which should have been done before purchase. "
BTW, in my first post on this subject, I deleted both attibution
lines, including yours, so as to not make it look like I was replying
especially to you. There had been other posts elswhere in the thread
that almost got the same reaction from me -- I don't know who wrote
them - but not enought to make me post.
I didnt' complain about everything you and others said, only being a
downer and risking breaking her spirit (as in "and it could be tens of
thousands of dollars of trouble here."
I'm not relying on etiquette. It's common sense. Or "Love your
neighbor as yourself"
I assume you saw the short reply that followed yesterday's longer
reply by a few mintues. I apologize for annoying you, and for
hurting your feelings if I did so. I was just looking out for Leza
and other posters in her shoes.
On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:12:56 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I said it's the
plain and simple truth that if you don't have the necessary skills
to inspect a house yourself, you should hire a competent home
inspector before buying a house.
It's only the wrong question because you don't want to answer it.
and I thought I made clear in the
Yes I am. For two reasons. First, she needs a home inspector now
for the obvious reasons I stated. Second, if I don't tell her now
that she should have had a home inspector before she bought this
house, what makes you think anyone is going to tell her that before
she buys another house? Good grief.
See the above comments. Good grief.
But here you are, bitching at me, for giving good sound advice.
It could be tens of thousands of dollars of trouble. It's even
possible that the house has so many problems that the best thing
she could do is walk away from it, instead of pouring more money
into it. But no one will know what she has unless she gets an
Your definition of common sense obviously doesn't equal mine.
No you're not. Because you want to hold back the simple truth
that people need to hear because you think it's going to hurt
their "feelings". I suppose if someone had cancer, you'd just
whisper sweet nothings in their ear, instead of telling them what
they need to know so that they can get treatment.
PS: I don't see Leza bitching about this, only you.
She seems to be handling it fairly well - and who knows, she may
have gotten a real bargain on the place, even with the problems.
In the future she will LIKELY investigate a bit more before buying -
but with the home inspectors I've run across she could quite well have
paid the man and still gotten the surprises. A good contractor or
handyman looking it over may have been a better investment - who
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