not only can a child die, but the law suits, where homeowners
insurance will likely not cover you, if you intentially disabled the
safety system, but you could lose all your assets and future earnings,
let alone your reputation in your community.....
its far easier and better to use the designed in safety system
Quite true, IF the down/up pressure is properly adjusted. Properly
adjusted, it would be difficult to injure anyone with a closing door
unless, perhaps, they were laying on their back with the their neck
exposed to the closing door, or maybe had a knife pointed downward so
that the closing door would drive it home.
Then again, I can see where that closing door - regardless of the
downward pressure could possible scuff up the tops of your shoes.
Perhaps that's the real reason the Consumer Products Safety Commission
is so involved in this... A government commission seeking to continue
its existence by doing something, anything to justify themselves.
Look at the Highway Safety folks. They have us wearing seatbelts and
have reduced DUI's tremendously. Great! Now, to justify their
continued existence, they think it would be great to ban drivers from
even sniffing a cork before getting behind the wheel. Busy work!
If successful, the next thing will be arresting folks for THINKING about
having a drink if they are even talking about driving somewhere<g>
My mother and father and long dead; I'm still alive and reasonably
successful in life. I don't need a Nanny!
Some seem focused on the safety light system but if one exaimes the
totality of garage door operation & related injuries, one might get a
different & broader point of view.
check out stats for 2007
seems like the safety light system really only addresses a small
portion of door related injuries
Description Estimated USA Total Description
1. Pinch/Crush Section Joints 7557 Fingers caught between section
joints, includes amputations, avulsions, etc.
2. Falling Doors 2102 Door fell for
3. DIY 1610 Person working on a
4. Sharp Edges 805 Lacerations from door
hardware or tracks
5. Glass 313 Lacerations from
garage door window glass
6. Spring 313 Spring injuries
7. Broken Door 224 Miscellaneous injuries
due to doors needing repairs
8. Other Entrapment 179 Half of these were
fingers caught between rollers and tracks
9. Race To Beat The Door 134 People trying to get through
the opening before the door closed
10. Riding Door 89 Children riding the
This study is about the "door system" regardless of whether it is
electric or manual
CPSC’s National Electronic Injury Surveillance System (NEISS) is a
national probability sample of hospitals in the U.S. and its
Seems that as useful as the safety light system may or may not be....
the safest thing to do is to avoid getting close to a moving door.
Which tends to reinforce Ed's comment that the manual suggest not
walking under (near?) a moving door.
Kinda like.... it's hard to get run over by a parked car.
But those statistics are wrong, especially in the case of pinched
fingers. I got my finger pinched badly by a closing door but didn't
report it. :)
Reality though is that I had the GDO disconnected and was closing it
As with almost anything people can get hurt in ways undreamed of by
A much better safety system.... teach kids to stay away from a moving
Abstract not full report
Automatic garage door openers: hazard for children.
Kriel RL, Gormley ME Jr, Krach LE, Luxenberg MG, Bartsh SM, Bertrand
Department of Pediatrics, Hennepin County Medical Center, Minneapolis,
MN 55415, USA.
Despite significant advances in automatic garage door opener design,
automatic garage door openers continue to severely injure or kill
children. In this investigation, we sought to determine the frequency
and circumstances of accidents that have caused severe injury or death
to children. We also tried to develop a means by which homeowners can
evaluate their door openers.
We present the histories of three children severely injured or killed
by automatic garage door openers. We reviewed national data of similar
accidents primarily published by the US Product Safety Commission and
Underwriters Laboratories. Also, we evaluated 50 automatic door
openers for safety of operation. The reversing mechanisms of door
openers were tested using a cardiopulmonary resuscitation mannequin, a
roll of paper towels, and a block of wood.
In the United States, at least 85 children have had permanent brain
injury or have died since 1974 as a result of accidents involving
automatic door openers. A review of circumstances of the accidents
illustrates that accidents are caused both by use of the openers by
children and by faults in design. Most accidents have occurred when
children have found access to the activation devices and have been
entrapped under closing doors that failed to reverse. However, in one
case, an adult activated the opener and left the premises before the
door completely closed. Our evaluation of 50 garage door openers
showed that although 88% percent reversed when encountering a block of
wood, 40% failed to reverse when coming down on a supine, child-sized
cardiopulmonary resuscitation mannequin.
Automatic garage door openers pose a serious risk of severe injury or
death to children. It is probable that many doors would not reverse if
they came down on a young child. Therefore, we have devised a way for
homeowners to test their door openers that closely mimics our
evaluations using the mannequin by using a large roll of paper towels.
If the door fails to reverse using this test, we suggest that
homeowners disconnect their openers and operate the doors manually
until the openers are serviced or replace their automatic openers with
one that meets the latest Underwriters Laboratory standards. We also
have other recommendations regarding the safe operation of the doors,
including improving the safety standards for openers in apartment
complexes. Compliance with these recommendations should reduce the
number of injuries to children caused by garage door openers.
Besides "punch & run" is a practice learned and perfected many years
ago by many of us.
In some installations, I have to "punch, run & hop" to avoid the
safety lights. :(
Much less safe for me than "punch & run".
I mount the manual controls high enough to only allow adults to
Mounting the manual
You still haven't given a reason why. Apparently you have read that
source you posted, cut and paste would answer the question.
So again. What danger is there in hitting the button on your way out?
I gave you a link. It did not allow me to copy the section.
Pretty obvious what the danger is. Door coming down, you trip and fall
and it hits you.
That is the stuff that keeps lawyers busy writing manuals.
You'd have to be one hell of some kind of crippled klutz to have the
door hit and injure you after you push the button and run out the
I'll bet a couple of orders of magnitude less probability than getting
injured in the bathtub or when going down stairs. Maybe we should
stop using those first..
So you can't even paraphrase what that manual says. With one foot
outside he door before yiou enven push the button momentum is going to
carry you clear. Even a massiver heart attack
instantly dead the momentum will have you clear of the door.
You still haven't given a sensible answer to why you disable the
I did tell what it said. If you don't think my answer is suitable, get
off your lazy ass and look it up. I personally don't give a damn if
you believe me, or if you follow the advice of the manual (I don't).
Probably every manual of every door operator has similar CYA
instructions. I know the doors at work even came with warning labels
not to walk under a closing door.
I never said it was sensible, I just said the advice exists.
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