If those people would lighten up and start talking about the number of
months before a fertilized egg becomes a person (i.e. try to roll back
the date where abortions are legal) they would have some credibility
But they are not; instead they are claiming that a single fertilized egg
is the same as a person - and that's irrational enough to me to strongly
suggest that their next agenda is making contraception illegal.
To be fair, maybe even *they* don't realize that.... but I would say
there is a good chance of it being in the cards.
Can you just not comprehend the many times that I've come straight out
and said I'm a conservative?
Conservatives believe in common sense, and common sense says that if
smoking in all it's forms makes people sick that it's a GOOD idea to
limit exposure to it for people who don't smoke, or don't want to be
exposed to hazardous waste.
On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 1:13:51 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
Yeah, Mr. Green here claims to be a Republican too, but he can't find one
Republican, including Reagan that was any good. I suspect you're his kind
of conservative. On the smoking issue, clearly the conservative position is
that if you are an adult and you want to have a cigar dinner in a private
room at a restaurant, it's none of the govt's business. If you can't see
that, then it sure sounds like you're a lib. You also take the side of jerks
who mouth off to cops, refuse to produce ID, resist arrest. You blame the
cops. No, doesn't sound like you're a conservative to me.
Don't complain to me about issues you have with someone else.
Now, if I'm not "YOU'RE" kind of conservative, then I can't possibly BE
a conservative?? Is that what you believe?
CLEARLY, that is YOUR position, which doesn't automatically fall into a
conservative mindset. In fact, your kind of radical attitude is akin to
how many liberals approach how they respond to anyone they disagree
with. If you don't want people seeing you as being a liberal nutcase,
you need to reassess how you respond.
How 'bout you take a flying leap off a short pier into shallow water?
How does that trip your trigger, bubba?
You don't define what or who constitutes being conservative.
Changing the subject? Hey, start a new thread and I'll take you to
school on that topic, too. It's already been discussed "why" I took the
position that I took, and if you can't accept that I'm a conservative
and have an opinion different from your own on 2 topics, then I guess
you'll just be an unhappy camper.
On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 2:08:23 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
Who's complaining. I just pointed to a classic example here of someone
who clearly is not what they claim to be, just like you.
Wooosh! Right over your pin head. The fact is that someone who chooses
people who tell cops to fuck off, resist arrest, while condemning the cops,
doesn't sound conservative. Nor someone that thinks it's govt's job to
extinguish every cigarette in America, that people shouldn't be allowed
the freedom to choose for themselves. THAT is what libs do, smoking,
now soda sizes, salt on restaurant tables.
Of course it does. Which once again demonstrates that you don't even
know what conservatives stand for today. Explain to us where in the
Constitution as the framers put it forth, it gives the govt the right
to deny people the right to have a private cigar dinner at a restaurant.
You think Madison would support your position?
In fact, your kind of radical attitude is akin to
I'm the radical? Good grief. I support the right of a group of people
to have cigar dinner in a restaurant. YOU are the one that wants to
control people, FORCE your ways on everyone. THAT is what libs do.
Go fuck yourself, how about that. And take that moron Mormon with you.
No your words and actions do and tells us all we need to know about
you. Explain to us how banning a cigar dinner in a private room in
a restaurant fits in with being a conservative. You can't. It doesn't.
Yeah, you sure took us to school on that one. But, but, but they were
arrested for JAYWALKING! Wrong, village idiot. They were arrested for
RESISTING arrest which everyone else could see right on the freaking
video. You really are a total waste of protoplasm.
I think you've been smoking something illegal after reading that short
'Scuse you, but you shouldn't presume to define what conservatives stand
for today. Feel free to define what you believe, though.
Do you think it is the right of the people to pursue LIFE??
Have you forgotten:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are *Life*, Liberty and the pursuit of
What does it mean to pursue LIFE?? It isn't just about pursuing liberty
You're a blowhard, and never listen to anything people say unless it's
someone stroking your ego and kissing your patootie. If you don't get
your way you resort to character assassination as if you think that
makes you sound superior or even smarter.
It just makes you look immature and unable to practice grown up self
control. Seriously, see a counselor.
Wake up and smell the stench - the era of smoking is declining and the
idea that it's cool, healthy, and something to be admired has gone the
way of the dodo bird.
Unlike you, I've got no experience with that sort of act.
hmmm So, basically, my words and actions have taken you to school on
this particular topic?
On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 6:07:32 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
Yes, but you obviously don't. Pursuing life means the ability to be able
to have a cigar dinner in a private room at a private restaurant with out
silly libs like you banning it. I think paragliding and mountain climbing
are risky. Ok, now we need to ban it, because people die from it. See
how that works?
See, once again you just proved you're no conservative. You're trying to
rewrite history, to try to desperately twist that into somehow giving
you the write to ban what people freely do in a private room, on private
You're a troll who's been identified by some of your followers with
a variety of names, having embarrassed yourself in a variety of other
Seriously, stop claiming you're a conservative.
So, what? Square dancing has declined, I guess that means it's OK
to screw square dancers and deny them basic rights too.
It's very much a political issue. Conservatives believe people should
have the right to have a bar where smoking is allowed and leave people
free to choose. Libs want to control it, tax it, because everyone has
to live like they do.
I guess we just see things differently. People risk their own lives
when they para-glide or mountain climb. OTOH, people risk others lives
when they smoke, which is wrong to do.
See how that works?
How can I twist a direct quote from the Constitution? It lists 3
rights: "that among these are *Life*"!
Why do people always emphasize liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
Without LIFE we can't pursue liberty OR happiness. Should we pursue
LIFE that leads to sickness and disease, or pursue LIFE that leads to a
high standard of health? Gee ... let me think. hmmmm
I think I'll pursue LIFE that leads to a high standard of health.
Without that, pursuing liberty and happiness can be fairly difficult to
I am a conservative - it's just a fact. Seriously, you should just
No - it's a HEALTH issue.
How do you know what conservatives believe?? Do you speak for all us
Why do you think that you do?
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 1:05:57 AM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
No, because it's not true. If we were allowed to have a smoking bar,
a smoking restaurant, the only people risking anything are the people
who choose to go there. If you were a conservative, you'd understand
that, but instead, as usual, you spin, lie and deflect. That's what
It's up to each individual to pursue their life according to their wishes.
Having a separate bar or restaurant for smokers doesn't infringe on your
life, your rights. But YOU, with the heavy hand of govt, are infringing
on smokers. You're no conservative.
Great. The problem is that you're forcing YOUR pursuit on the rest
of us who have different pursuits. It's what libs do. They know what
we should or shouldn't smoke, eat, drive, etc. And at the same time
the limo libs fly around in Gulfstream IVs. At least they don't pretend
to be conservatives.
He has imaginary friends who back him up, probably in private emails.
Since nobody seems to be talking about how to get the smelly sticky
yellow-brown stains out of the upholstery, curtains, or walls and
ceilings, shouldn't this thread have an OT in the subject line?
At least Ohm's Law is marginally on topic.
The point is restaurant owners don't want to limit their clientele. It's
fiscally stupid to do so. A smoke free environment doesn't prevent
smokers from dining because the environment makes them sick. OTOH, a
smoking environment prevents non-smokers from dining because the
environment is toxic to them.
A non-smoking environment is more profitable AND healthy for all who
On the contrary - I'm a advocate for healthy air. Everyone should do
likewise because we all breath air. It's a health issue - not a
political issue. I can be a conservative and still promote breathable
air in public venues. Conservatives tend to look at the entire picture
vs. such a narrow viewpoint as you keep preaching.
Contrary to your ideology, the Constitution actually states that we have
a right to "pursue LIFE", and that's what I'm doing.
OTOH, you're promoting the idea that people are free to spread toxic
waste because you feel it's their right to practice such a freedom.
That mindset is simply nuts. You'd rather people spread toxic waste in
the name of freedom vs. promote healthy air in the name of pursuing LIFE.
No ... that's what people who want to pursue LIFE do. It's a health
issue - not a political issue.
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 12:38:18 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
The point is you're an idiot. If restaurant owners don't want to limit
their clientele, then why do we need a law that FORCES them?
No it's not. If I'm the only bar in town that allows smoking, then
I could have more business than most other bars, because smokers will
come to my bar. Even now in the dwindling states where smoking is
still allowed in bars, there are bars that allow smoking, thereby
proving your point stupid.
A smoke free environment doesn't prevent
Any conservative will tell you the simple, free market solution, is
YOU go to a smoke free restaurant, smokers will go to ones that allow
smoking. But there is no compromise with you lib types, you want to
force everyone to live by your ways. Smoking, soda, salt, guns, fat
will be next.
Typical lib mentality. You don't own the bar, yet you're the one that's
smarter than the owner, to tell them what they have to do.
That isn't what happens in a bar that allows smoking. Only people who
wish to be there are there. It's idiots like you that can't allow people
with differing values to have their rights too. It's what libs do.
Jul 2016 16:01:16 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:
I don't think i'd go so far as to label her a Troll. That word is
often used to discredit someone who hasn't actually done anything of
a Trolling/Trollish nature. Differing opinions doesn't make one a
Troll on it's own. As far as followers, I know you think!? myself and
several others 'followed' her here, but, that's not the case with me.
She did a bit more than embarrass herself, actually. Things got so
bad in one particular newsgroup and I'm partially to blame for it, I
did actively participate, but, that was after years of her egging me
on to demonstrate what I'm capable of doing. Again, I tolerated her
bullshit and that of her 'friends' who tried to stalk me and people I
may/may not know, for years, before I decided enough was enough and
took her to school in a true blackhat way.
I'll also disclose I took her 'friends' to school too. A sound
education in why doxing/stalking isn't cool. Especially when you're
trying it on someone who's been in front of a computer in one way
shape or form since he was five years old. I already knew a shitload
about computers way before computers were cool and were common on
peoples homes. I'm always learning, too. It's a never ending process
(until I'm dead that is). I'm basically one of those people who
The anonymous coward gave up my ace card though. Disclosed who I am
ahead of the time I planned to do so. I was waiting for someone to
step up and challenge me. [g]
I've done some really 'bad' things with the skills I have, but, like
I wrote to them, I typically don't do that stuff anymore, unless I'm
beyond pushed into it. When it comes to coming after my loved ones,
well, you basically green light everything in my arsenal. As she and
her 'friends' learned, the hard way.
I suspect she won't ask me to do that again anytime soon. Stress
levels for her caused health issues that required a short hospital
stay. Unconfirmed reports claimed she nearly died as a result of
actions taken by myself and others; again, after YEARS of asking for
it - It got bad enough that several others asked/pleaded with me (and
the others involved) to call it off, to stop. Leave her be. I was
fully intent on finishing what I started, though. And I fully admit
it. When I'm pushed to that point, I'm going for your jugular and I
have no intentions of stopping until you flatline.
I'm an easy going guy, so long as you keep your issues with me, and
don't try to involve/stalk my loved ones because you can't handle me.
Once you do, you've crossed a line that you will wish you hadn't. The
anonymous poster has a sound reason for hiding their identity. They
owe me for some shit they did a few years back, and, the interest is
mounting. At some point, they will fuckup, and when they do, it's
game on. [g]
For the record, I pose no threat to anybody who doesn't try something
with me first; and, even when they do, so long as they don't try
attacking others who have nothing to do with whatever problem they
have with me, I tend not to do anything about it. Muggles and a
couple of her friends are the exception, though. They stalked living
and non living family members. They wanted to play down and dirty
so.. they got what they asked for in spades.
Her dear friend, Eagle actually bragged about using his credit card
to stalk a relative of mine and threatened to post the details he got
from it. The end result, I won't bore you with the play by play, was
his entire local family tree was published containing nearly
everything one needed to be one of those people on paper. ID theft,
anyone? I stopped short of publishing valid SS# and bdays) - And, I
didn't stop there. I accessed what he thought was private/secure data
on some of them and used it to do various things for them. [g] Some
funds were likely lost by them as a result of my good deeds, but,
thats the price you pay if you want to play games and risk my loved
ones on purpose.
Muggles thought she was 'safe' and I couldn't figure out who she was
in real life, She learned the hard way that wasn't true. Again, it
took years of back and forth before I reached the point where I was
going to strike back in a most unpleasant manner.
Well... have you seen the ass on some square dancing girls? [g]
Whether I was or wasn't a smoker, I agree with you. It's their
choice. If I don't want to be around it, I'm free to go elsewhere. I
don't believe it's my right because I may not like it to prevent you
from doing it. I think the new taxes on tobacco products are absurd
to say the least.
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Hmmm. I most certainly don't understand how I can access a copy of a
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