On the People' s Court today or yesterday, someone bought a second
hadd fridge and was satisified with how it worked, at first.
He said one has to use it for a day to see if it's really working,
after it has been moved.
He's all confused, isn't he? Moving it is no problem unless it's
been laid on its side during the move, right??? (or maybe shaken op
and down like a cocktail)
And if it has been on its side, it's supposed to sit withOUT running
for a day, right, to let all the freon settle to the bottom, or
I saw the episode too. Having to wait a day after you
plug it in to find out if the fridge really gets cold and works
what I thought the plaintiff meant.
For the peanut galley, the case was a guy bought a Sub Zero fridge
that new would cost $7k for $800 on craigslist. He claimed that
the seller assured him that it worked, but the buyer never saw it
never tested it, etc. Seller delivered it and it started up when
in. But it didn't get cold, or not cold enough. Buyer claims he had
2 appliance guys look at it and they told him it has a bad condenser
and is not repairable. Seller claims the buyer told him he had an
estimate for $800 to fix it.
Seller claims he got the fridge from a builder that was doing a
remodel 2 years before. He was going to use it himself in his
own kitchen, but didn't finish the remodel, even though his business
is kitchen cabinets. He had the fridge sitting around, never tried
it in 2 years, and decided to sell it.
They both had major credibility problems. The plaintiffs big gap
was that despite claiming he had 2 appliance guys tell him the
thing is not repairable, he didn't bring either guys bill, statement,
anything to court. Yet, he was also suing for $250 to cover the
cost of the two service calls..... His other huge problem was
that he had no proof whatever that they seller had guaranteed
him that it worked.
Plaintiff lost the case.
The bad condenser not repairable got me thinking. In another
thread there was discussion about the refrigerant circuit running
all the way over to the front to provide heating around the doors
to prevent condensation. I also have a vertical type freezer where
the side gets hot, as they evidently use that to get rid of the heat.
In the old days, the condenser was a coil on the whole back of
the unit. Now they are buried inside. I'm wondering if it's true
that if a condenser goes on some of these new units, it's
impossible or just way too much labor to replace the condenser?
On that Sub Zero, given the $7K cost, it would have to be
impossible for it to not be worth fixing.?
On 2/22/2013 7:56 AM, email@example.com wrote:
The Sub Zero units I've seen were built like commercial systems which
are very easy to service and repair. Of course it depends on the model
and age of the fridge but the ones I've seen used standard service
valves and repairable condensing units. ^_^
Everything is humanly possible if you're willing to throw enough money
at a problem.
But, in the case where the condenser tubing runs all the way around the
fridge to heat the mullion between the fridge and freezer doors, then
replacing the condenser may be economically unfeasible. That's cuz
getting the old condenser out means taking the fridge entirely apart.
What they might do is cut the condenser lines at the back or bottom of
the fridge and pressure test the part of the condenser tubing that's
hardest to replace, and if it pressure tests ok, then just replace the
part of the condensor that's easiest to replace if that's where the leak
But, if it's the "hard to replace" part of the condenser tubing that
won't hold pressure, that's where the leak is and finding that leak may
require taking the whole fridge apart, or at least cutting into the side
of the fridge cabinet to access the leaking tubing and brazing another
piece of tubing in and patching that hole back as best you can, and
calling that a "repair".
In that case, the fridge will work, but it just won't look like it's
worth $7,000 anymore with the duct tape holding that piece of galvanized
metal on the side of the fridge cabinet.
The more practical option might just be to walk away from the used
fridge so as not to start throwing good money after bad.
Personally, if I were talking to someone about buying their old fridge
or freezer, I would tell them to plug it in on Tuesday or Wednesday with
a plastic glass of water in the freezer compartment and a pound of
butter in the fresh food compartment. Then I'd come down on Saturday or
Sunday after the fridge had been running for 2 or 3 days to check that
the water is ice and the butter is fairly hard. That's not an
unreasonable request for anyone who's buying a used fridge to ask of the
seller. And, if the fridge does work OK, the seller will be happy to
(I once had a tenant tell me their fridge wasn't working. When I got to
the apartment, they'd moved all of their cold food into the trunk of
their car (cuz it was winter) and had moved the fridge close to the
suite door in anticipation that I'd be replacing it. I had no way of
telling what was wrong with the fridge, so I got an extension cord to
plug the old fridge in and discovered that there was no power to the
plug. It turns out the fuse had blown and there was nothing wrong with
the fridge at all.)
That's what the judge kept saying too. The buyer was saying that it
takes 24 hours to find out if it works and the
judge asked why he didn't just do that before he bought it.
The seller claimed that in the two years since he acquired
it he never tried it out either. I think his credibility was shot
by the fact that he's in the kitchen cabinet business, yet
he claims he had this acquired fridge sitting in his torn
apart kitchen for two years, unused?
Buyer lost mainly because he had no proof that the
seller guaranteed that the fridge worked. And the fact
that buyer also claimed he had two repair guys that
he paid $250 tell him it was not repairable, yet he had
no reciept, no statement, nada to support that sure
didn't help his credibility.
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