On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-4, email@example.com wrote:
I even gave her that list of the top cancer causing products in our
homes, hot dogs, shampoo, Ajax, etc. But no, focus on that one thing,
smoking, and insist on banning it in all venues, including a bar that
just wants to cater to smokers. Sure, she's a conservative. She doesn't
understand the basic principles of conservatism.
Why would they be sick? They smoked the majority of their lives. OTOH,
I never smoked, and my body rejected anything to do with smoking, which
included secondhand & thirdhand smoke, and any VOC combination with
You asked for valid data of studies on the subject. I provided valid
Smoking has altered your DNA, including, your ability to see the forest
for the trees.
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 12:47:59 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
All you provided was that smoking in a closed car, God knows how many
cigarettes too, produces residue that the study says raises concerns.
Not one iota of proof on any actual risk, any actual harm. Being
clueless I thought you could at least understand when I gave you
that list of all the cancer causing products already in widespread
use. Why don't you ban hot dogs, for example? That was precisely
GFRE's point, that with that kind of standard, we are surrounded by
all kinds of lethal things all the time.
And of course none of that has anything to do with smoking in a private
bar, no one is forcing you to go there, just like no one is forcing
you to eat hot dogs or use shampoo.
On Saturday, July 2, 2016 at 12:20:30 PM UTC-4, Vic Smith wrote:
That's the problem I have, the lib anti-smoking crowd are just never
satisfied. Like banning smoking even if I want to have a private cigar
dinner at a restaurant once a month. Whatever restrictions there are,
it's never enough, no compromise is possible.
I kind of like the smell of cigar smoke. Doesn't mean I'd want to work
with somebody sucking on a cigar all day - or share an elevator with
one.... but, in an open space, I find the smell mildly pleasant.
Cigar smoke is possibly more toxic than cigarette smoke (3). Cigar smoke
A higher level of cancer-causing substances: During the fermentation
process for cigar tobacco, high concentrations of cancer-causing
nitrosamines are produced. These compounds are released when a cigar is
smoked. Nitrosamines are found at higher levels in cigar smoke than in
More tar: For every gram of tobacco smoked, there is more
cancer-causing tar in cigars than in cigarettes.
A higher level of toxins: Cigar wrappers are less porous than
cigarette wrappers. The nonporous cigar wrapper makes the burning of
cigar tobacco less complete than the burning of cigarette tobacco. As a
result, cigar smoke has higher concentrations of toxins than cigarette
Furthermore, the larger size of most cigars (more tobacco) and longer
smoking time result in higher exposure to many toxic substances
(including carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons, ammonia, cadmium, and other
On Saturday, July 2, 2016 at 4:40:58 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
It has everything to do with politics and being liberal or conservative.
Liberals believe they have to regulate everything and do so with relish.
They want ever bigger govt, more govt programs, more govt regulators.
Conservatives want less regulations and to live people as free as possible.
Sure, no compromise for liberals. That was exactly my point, you won't
stop until you control EVERYTHING we do, because YOU know what is best
for all the rest of us, we have no rights. Conservatives believe
that individuals have a right to live their own life and if I want to
have a cigar dinner in
a private room in a private restaurant that is an issue of my freedom
to do what I please, and none of your business. What constitutional
power gives you the right to tell us we can't a cigar dinner? Is that
the country Madison and the founders saw?
On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 10:01:04 AM UTC-4, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
I don't know of any conservative movement to do anything with regard to
access to birth control with the exception of abortion. And abortion is
obviously a very special case because another life, who has no voice,
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