For all of you "second hand smoke" ninnies.

[FromTheRafters]

bob haller wrote on 7/3/2016 :

I suppose that goes for coal burning power plants too. Oh wait, somebody already thought of that.

[ChairMan]

Open a Black/Hispanic/LGBT/Safe space cigar bar and you'll be fine

[trader_4]

Irrelevant. Put zero in for I, you get V = 0. Again, please take a course in algebra.

The fact that manipulation of the one equation into various forms produces one where you can divide by zero does not make the other forms of the equation invalid, even if that variable is zero. Please take an algebra course. You're forcing division by zero where there is no division by zero. The rest of us know that a 100 ohm resistor is still a 100 ohm resistor with no current flowing in it.

Again, you are trying to force division by zero, when no division by zero is needed. V = IR, it's all multiplication.

This is like saying I have groups of apples in threes. If I select X groups, how many apples do I then have in total.

T = N x 3 5 groups I have 15 apples total

How many apples do I have with N=0? Equation gives 0, a valid number.

Your answer, "You can't do that because you could transform that equation into:

T/N = 3.

And OMG we're dividing by Zero!

Good to see you admit you're a troll. I just seek to expose ignorance wherever I find it. And I especially dislike people who are ignorant of basic algebra trying to tell degreed engineers, electrical inspectors, how Ohm's Law and basic algebra work.

BTW did you do that graph of V = IR yet? Graph V versus I and tell us what you get. It's a straight line that goes right through the origin. It's shocking how far the US has fallen in math and science.

[trader_4]

Only an occasional cigar. I just stand up for the rights of everyone, including cigarette smokers.

You stink to me too. Lots of things stink, should we ban them all? How about incense? Lets' start a campaign to demonize that. Anyone doubt that we could do "studies" that show the smoke released contains potentially harmful substances? How about camp fires? OMG, think of the children inhaling all those carcinogens while toasting marshmallows!

No one is complaining to me. But just listening to you makes me sick, so there's that.

Don't you know that if I'm in a private room at a restaurant, where everyone there agrees it's OK, it doesn't matter, that no one's stomach is turning?

The problem is that it's the libs who claim to care about everyone, so they force their rules down everyone else's throats. Cigarette bans, soda size limits, soda taxes, salt shaker bans, etc. If they really cared, they'd leave us free to choose.

You have that effect on me with every post, should we ban you from posting?

So what? Just because you don't think it's right doesn't give you the right to force your view on me. And if you were a conservative, like you claim to be, you'd understand that.

[trader_4]

So far you've given us zero proof of that. Just because you can cite a study where they found that after someone has been smoking in a car for hours, the worst possible environment, that byproducts can be found doesn't prove that anyone has been made sick, nor did the researchers say that. And that is a very long way from someone catching a whiff of a cigarette from 25 ft away.

BS. And no one is forcing you to be in the room with me.

Fine. Then have the restaurant free to make that decision. They can have rooms where smoking is never allowed and rooms where it is allowed. Disclose it and allow the people to decide. That's the conservative position. The lib position is to rant on, to force YOUR way onto everyone, because you know what's good for us.

Not true. You could have separate air systems for the smoking allowed room. Or whole separate bar/restaurants where smoking is allowed. Leave the customers free to decide, not libs shoving it down the people's throats because you think they are too stupid to decide for themselves.

Yes, in a few states. The problem is that people like you forced it to be that way and want to continue to force it, until you control us totally. That is one big reason why we can't pass any new gun legislation, because people don't trust libs. They know it's a never ending process to suck freedom from us all.

It clearly doesn't do it in bars, restaurants that leave people free to choose. If you want to select a bar that bans smoking, you can go there. If others want to select one that allows it, they can go there. But from your statements, it's clear that, the conservative, logical position, isn't good enough for you. It's typical of libs.

[trader_4]

ROFL. Yeah, interesting how all those other groups have rights, even special rights, yet smokers are told to go to hell.

[bob haller]

smokers must feel they are under siege:)

in pennsylvania smoking is illegal in just about any public place including parks. its still allowed in selected areas of casinos, but theres a move to make it illegal in casinos too.

hopefully thenew state budget will tax all tobacco / smoking products much more expensive, by jacking up the taxes

face facts smokers, soon it will be totally illegal.:):):)

[trader_4]

Yes, but you obviously don't. Pursuing life means the ability to be able to have a cigar dinner in a private room at a private restaurant with out silly libs like you banning it. I think paragliding and mountain climbing are risky. Ok, now we need to ban it, because people die from it. See how that works?

See, once again you just proved you're no conservative. You're trying to rewrite history, to try to desperately twist that into somehow giving you the write to ban what people freely do in a private room, on private property.

You're a troll who's been identified by some of your followers with a variety of names, having embarrassed yourself in a variety of other forums.

Seriously, stop claiming you're a conservative.

So, what? Square dancing has declined, I guess that means it's OK to screw square dancers and deny them basic rights too.

It's very much a political issue. Conservatives believe people should have the right to have a bar where smoking is allowed and leave people free to choose. Libs want to control it, tax it, because everyone has to live like they do.

[trader_4]

Are you daft? If people choose to have a cigar dinner in a private room at a restaurant, with it's own air system, they aren't stinking up anyone else's clean air. I'm not forcing you to be in that room. Or a whole bar. Most states, it's illegal to smoke in any bar. If I want to have a bar for smokers, that's a basic right. How about I want to open a restaurant that allows smoking. I'm not forcing you or anyone else to go there. Everyone is free to chose my restaurant that allows smoking or other restaurants that ban it. It's YOU who is doing the forcing, by preventing me and others from engaging in what we want to do.

[trader_4]

Sad that you libs don't have a clue what freedom, the constitution, and this country are all about.

[trader_4]

It certainly does. You libs rush to defend muslims anytime there is a terrorist attack. Like Obama and Lynch just tried to scrub that 911 transcript, remove all references to Allah and ISIS. Muslims get special rights, but when it comes to smokers, well, they don't even have the right to have a bar where they can smoke or a cigar dinner in a private room at a restaurant.

[trader_4]

Many of us here mostly reached that conclusion about you a long time ago. But I was still courteous until now when you opened an attack out of the blue on me for no reason.

[trader_4]

ts. And you want to talk about my mental health and brains? If we didn't already know

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Note what they did. They used a closed car, the worst environment possible. And they concluded that smoking there leaves traces. I could have saved them the money, we all know that. What did they conclude "with potential health impacts". Almost anything today has potential health impacts, even drinking the water in most municipal water systems.

Since they used a car, how about the car itself?

e-worst/

"New car smell is toxic, study says: Which cars are worst?"

"Research shows that vehicle interiors contain a unique cocktail of hundred s of toxic chemicals that off-gas in small, confined spaces," Jeff Gearhart , research director at the Ecology Center, said in a written statement. "Si nce these chemicals are not regulated, consumers have no way of knowing the dangers they face. "

OMG, we're all gonna die! The story is complete with skull and crossbones. This is exactly what Gfre was talking about, that there are all kinds of traces of chemicals around us every day. Yet the smell of a cigarette from

15 ft away is gonna kill us? Sorry, I'm not buying it and as outlined abov e the "study" you cited doesn't say it either.

[Frank]

I'm a former smoker and know how tough it is to quit. I've known of several smokers that died of lung cancer before their time, even a professor on the surgeon general's committee that proclaimed that smoking causes lung cancer. I talked to him for 20 minutes while he smoked 4 Larks. Said he thought the charcoal filters took out some of the carcinogens.

If someone smokes, that's their business and I don't believe that many people are made ill by second hand smoke as toxicity is always dose related.

OTOH smokers do not realize how badly they can smell to others. If I am walking in the park and a car with a smoker in it passes me in the paths along the road, I can often smell them. I would not let my smoker mother smoke in my house but when she visited the closet where she hung her coat would smell for a week.

[hah]

[snip]

Of course, the SMOKE continues to follow the rules, no matter how long it's been since you exhaled :-)

[snip]

[Mark Lloyd]

[snip]

Recently, I walked into a room and suddenly had a serious breathing problem. There was a smoker there. This person wasn't smoking at the time, but had on a seriously stinky shirt.

[bob_villain]

Notice how you respond to everyone trying desperately to make your point, which is groundless in logic. You have a serious mental condition that forces you to continue with a lost cause. I would recommend someone who treats OCD:

[Muggles]

Smoking is not a right.

[...]

Your cigar smoke produces secondhand smoke and thirdhand smoke deposits on everything in that room. Anyone who enters that room after your group smoking can get sick from the residue left behind.

It's no different than someone spraying the room with toxic waste.

1. I'm not a lib, and 2. I don't care about everyone.

I don't know anyone who cares about everyone.

If smokers really cared, they'd quit smoking.

Who is forcing you to respond?

I have a right to pursue LIFE granted to me under the Constitution, in addition to the right of free speech, and in pursuing my Constitutional rights I will protest smoking.

You're welcome to kill yourself with cigarette's, cigar's, or whatever you choose to use.

Well, I understand how smoking has affected my health - it's not a political issue and never has been political. Being a conservative doesn't remove common sense to reason that if something makes people sick that it's a good idea to restrict or eliminate the source.

[Frank]

I've been thinking about making up a story about the bucket of water I have on the deck to water the plants.

I would tell people that I put it there as a refuge for Zika virus mosquitoes. Liberals want more money to remove them but I think we should protect them to accompany their colleagues taking refuge here.

[Muggles]

Please read this entire article:

I'll even post the summary for you.

"Formation of carcinogens indoors by surface-mediated reactions of nicotine with nitrous acid, leading to potential third hand smoke hazards.

This study shows that residual nicotine from tobacco smoke sorbed to indoor surfaces reacts with ambient nitrous acid (HONO) to form carcinogenic tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNAs). Substan- tial levels of TSNAs were measured on surfaces inside a smoker?s vehicle. Laboratory experiments using cellulose as a model indoor material yielded a>10-fold increase of surface-bound TSNAs when sorbed secondhand smoke was exposed to 60 ppbv HONO for 3 hours. In both cases we identified

1-(N-methyl-N-nitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridinyl)-4-butanal, a TSNA absent in freshly emitted tobacco smoke, as the major product. The potent carcinogens 4-(methy-lnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridinyl)-1-butanone and N-nitroso nornicotine were also detected. Time-course measurements revealed fast TSNA formation, with up to 0.4% conversion of nicotine. Given the rapid sorption and persistence of high levels of nicotine on indoor surfaces?including clothing and human skin?this recently identified process represents an unappreciated health hazard through dermal exposure, dust inhalation, and ingestion. These findings raise concerns about exposures to the tobacco smoke residue that has been recently dubbed ?thirdhand smoke.? Our work highlights the importance of reactions at indoor interfaces, particularly those involving amines and NO x/HONO cycling, with potential health impacts."

"Toxic waste is any material in liquid, solid, or gas form that can cause serious harm to humans as well as other animals and the environment."

Smoking leaves behind toxic waste.

It doesn't solve the issue of secondhand or thirdhand smoke. Even if a room is set aside for smoking, people still open the doors, come and go from those smoking rooms and enter the non-smoking area and expose non-smokers to those contaminants where not only adults may be exposed, but also children exposed to those toxic wastes.

This issue is not about politics - it's a health issue.

Businesses are free to do that now, but very few of them choose to go all smoking because too many people don't smoke, now, and that bites into their bottom line profits. It's not fiscally smart to eliminate a large percentage of customers in order to accommodate smoking.

You better believe it I'm on the side of forcing smokers to NOT smoke in any public venue.

Gun legislation has no relevance to the health issues of smoking. It's also a separate thread.

I don't go to bars, and never have. Bars that are in restaurants I've been to are all non-smoking environments.

Smoking is not a political issue. It's a health issue, and as a conservative I'll continue to vote for people who are in agreement with my stance.