Follow-up on leak in basement

May 23, 2024 Last reply: 2 years ago 4 Replies

I finished (almost) putting in the new pressure regulator, which the instructions say is preset to 50 psi. I bought a new pressure gauge, also from Watts, and it says the pressure is 40psi.



So I called Watts Technical (they have 7 or so divisions, none of which is called Watts, but I choose option 8, Other. to ask them which one was likely wrong. He surprised me by saying the gauge was likely right. That the spring in the regulator is maybe he said carbon steel and you couldn't depend on it. He told me to turn clockwise to increase the pressure, which I knew, but that it was 5-6 pounds per turn. That's good to know. He said he uses 65, almost 70 pounds of pressure, and he mentioned the shower and the kitchen sink sprayer as places where it makes a difference. I only have 40 and I have taken only baths since the water is back on. I should take a shower and see if I don't like it. He said lower pressure is good for water conservation and mentioned California where it's a big issue, but he's in Boston where they have too much water this year.



I would probably be happy with 40 pounds. Just takes longer for the tub or toilet to fill, but it hasn't seemed too long. I've been refilling 2 liter soda bottles and that seems to go pretty fast. Might be harder to water the lawn but I don't do that anyhow.



I do use the dishwasher. That depends on water pressure doesn't it?



And I tend to watch the clothes washer fill up, to decide whether to add more soap or clothes, etc. That already takes too long.



And if I don't raise it to 50, it's one more thing I should leave in a note for the new owner some day, because it will never occur to him that the pressure is adjusted wrong.


Then I asked about whether I caused my own problem, and yes, I did. IIUC he said 3 days at 32 is enough to freeze the basement, and the weather here was well below that for 9 days. Use heat tape next time. Same things Bob told me.



He said it puts stress on the metal and it could fail 3 months later, as happened to me. Also what Bob said. (I still need to learn more details about the leak my neighbor had. I don't think they even go away in the winter, much less turn off the heat.)



He was not in a hurry at all, gave me his name and extension number if I have more questions. Told a story about putting in pipes in Maine where it the ground was so hard at 3 or 4 feet it was hard to go deeper. Seemed like a guy old enough that he'd rather stay inside and answer questions instead of doing plumbing, especially in the winter.


I should also cut away the rubber lip around the sump, in case something like this happens again. Everyone should do that. Isn't that just there so that when they poured the cement floor of the basement, it didn't overflow into the sump?


When I put the pipes together, I had a very small leak and a teeny leak, both where the pipes screwed into the regulator. I'd used teflon tape before but maybe only on the TP valve in the water heater. That's not tapered and this is, and it warned me not to tighten too much or I'd crush the threads. So I didnt' tighten enough.



I thought I'd messed up bad, in that it would be much harder to tighten some more when there was water in there, compared to air, which is easier to squeeze out. Any truth to that? And would have to take it apart again. But I did just tighten some more and stop the very small leak and it's hard to tell about the teeny leak, becuse the humidity in the basement seemed to increase suddenly and thre are hundreds of little water drops on the whole length of the pipe, so I can't tell if there is a leak or not.



"Very small" was originally 10 drops a day. Teeny was 1 drop a day. I thought they might get smaller on their own, like the faucets tht turn themselves off, but they didn't.


micky wrote on 5/23/2024 1:43 PM:

Maybe the water pressure in your house is 40 psi. A 50 psi regulator can down-regulate 70 psi water source to 50 psi, but cannot up-regulate 40 psi water source to 50 psi.

You are expecting miracles from your new "Made-in-China" pressure regulator.

You're right. So I went next door and measured his. And it's 115 pounds!

I had originally wondered what the water company pressure was, but I figured I wouldn't be able to find out because everyone in this n'hood has a regulator and I don't know anyone who lives in one of the older houses nearby. But I think it might be 115. Or higher.

Talked to my neighbor and he's going to buy another pressure gauge, just in case mine is wrong. (He says currently it doesn't seem higher than the pressure in the house he grew up in, which has well water and surely doesn't have very high pressure.) The man at Watts said it was more likely my pressure regulator wasn't really pre-set at 50 than that the gauge was wrong.

A) You, not me, came up with the theory that the city water pressure is only 40 pounds, so don't tell me what I'm expecting.

B) You don't know that the pressure regulator was made in China.**

C) We may not like it but China builds quality stuff for people who are willing to pay quality prices. (And it makes crappy stuff for those who want to pay the lowest conceivable price.)

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(Other intersting items omitted) 1880s Received first of 18 patents Joseph Watts was a prodigious patent holder, innovating steam and water pressure regulators designed to stop catastrophic boiler failure and protect textile mill workers. While designed primarily for the textile industry, Joseph Watts’ first pressure relief valve patent was hugely successful, finding widespread application and implementation. 1959 Relocated Manufacturing Facility from Lawrence, MA to Franklin, NH By the late 1950s, the Watts manufacturing facility had grown overcrowded and desperately needed an expansion. A new 73,000 square foot manufacturing plant was built in Franklin, NH. Today, the Franklin plant dwarfs its original facility, with 16 expansions and nearly triple the original square footage. 1960s Opened First International Manufacturing Facilities The sixties marked an era of bold, international expansion for Watts. In 1961, the company opened its first manufacturing plant in Canada. The very next year, in 1962, Watts took a transatlantic leap, constructing a plant in Stroud, Gloucestershire, England, to sell in the U.K. and Europe. 1994 Opened First Manufacturing Facility in China Watts launched its first joint venture in 1994 with the Tianjin Tanggu Valve Plant of the People’s Republic of China, buying 60% controlling interest. An established ISO 9001 certified manufacturer, Tanggu sold its butterfly, globe, and check valves to 29 provinces and autonomous regions in China and exports to the U.S., Europe, Australia, and Southeast Asia. 2013 Opened a New “Lead Free” Foundry in Franklin, NH In response to the Reduction of Lead in Drinking Water Act, Watts made the decision to open a dedicated 30,000 square foot lead free foundry at its Frankin, NH campus, positioning the company as a trusted source for lead free products. As a lead free pioneer, Watts also took a leadership role in educating the industry about lead free as a founding member of the “Get the Lead Out” Consortium.

So they've been in the water pressure regulatore business since the

1880's.

I missed this from March of 2012

Watts Water Technologies Relocates Manufacturing Plant From China to Franklin, New Hampshire

Watts Water Technologies and its Webster Valve subsidiary will make a multi-million dollar investment in a 30,000-square-foot plant complex that will bring an estimated 100 manufacturing jobs from China to Franklin, New Hampshire.

`It makes me proud, as a New Hampshire resident and an American, that you have been able to bring your product lines back from China and bring jobs back from China. It's a wonderful accomplishment,' Franklin Mayor Kenneth Merrifield told Watts officials.....

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