Florida stand your ground case conviction.

[trader_4]

A - It wasn't much of a fight. And you claim he was about ready to die anyway from all his health problems.

B - There were FOUR cops on the guy.

C - I would hope I would remember my training, including that chokeholds are dangerous and not to be used.

I guess you read

No, I didn't see that. IDK how a police doctor would be an expert in what chokeholds are allowed or what the training, policy, etc was. The guy who was expert in that, the head of police training said it was a chokehold, it was prohibited.

The "damage" to his neck was superficial, no

I'm sure if the medical examiner had photos of the broken blood vessels in your neck from a chokehold, you'd have a very different opinion.

What you provided only said the supervisor was there, not when she got there, what she saw, etc. So now that I once again have to go looking for the details, look at this:

'Adonis, accused by the NYPD of failure to supervise, was seven miles away from Bay St. when all hell broke loose on Staten Island five years ago.

The cop, who joined the NYPD in 2002, is first seen on video of the fatal encounter after Garner has already been taken to the ground by Pantaleo. Adonis wasn’t there when the two confronted each other and she wasn’t there when Garner was cuffed.

But even so, the NYPD says she must have a department trial at One Police Plaza for her failure to intervene after Garner was on the pavement."

If that's true, then you have your answer as to why she was only docked 20 days pay. Like I said, without knowing all the details there, it's hard to make a judgment. Pantaleo is very different. He used a chokehold and the PD had banned them. And they banned them because other people had already died in similar cases from chokeholds. That's why the COP said "stay away from the neck" Pantaleo didn't. And it wasn't like it was one on one with him and Garner. There were four cops tackling Garner.

BS. It was a cop who disregarded his orders, disregarded his training and used a banned chokehold and the guy died. That's why they banned them to begin with. capiche? You have ZERO evidence that any political pressure was put on the MD who did the autopsy. In fact, that claim makes no sense at all. If the city was out to get P, why didn't they get him indicted? A prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, yet they didn't. And for political purposes, if you were going to try to obstruct, the obvious thing would be to do the OPPOSITE, to have the autopsy find that he just died of natural causes, that the chokehold had no effect. Then the city looks like they did nothing wrong.

[Ed Pawlowski]

My guess is they were not banned because of the danger but they don't want to make $5.9 million payouts.

[gfretwell]

Yeah sure, that is real easy sitting in your safe little house behind your keyboard. You are a bad ass when you type.

I posted the link and a quote. Was it just something you chose to ignore?

Another name for broken blood vessels a bruise (AKA hematoma) but that doesn't sound near as inflammatory does it ?

Who was the black female sargent standing there then?

She must have beamed herself 7 miles away then, you said it was only a short struggle and she is in that video. She is also the one who called EMS and told them Garner was having trouble breathing but he was OK Somebody is lying here or they are having trouble keeping there story straight. I guess I really need to find the original video. It sounds like the one that exonerates Pantaleo has been buried by city hall after it was used to get the charges tossed.

Hummmm black female cop gets a slap on the wrist and the Italian gets the book thrown at him, let me think a minute.

The BLM people were not going to accept that and DeBlasio did not want a riot that early in his administration. BTW the thug who shot the original video is still in prison on unrelated charges. He was a BLM guy tho.

[gfretwell]

Then they better just ban arresting fat guys with a bad heart and asthma

[trader_4]

The bad ass was Pantaleo who disobeyed his orders and training, went rogue and used a chokehold, in a situation where it was totally unnecessary. The head of police training testified to that. I suppose he's a political appointee too? He testified that it was a chokehold, that it was banned and that it was unnecessary.

No, I just didn't see it. I went back and looked and then tried to further track it down. First, all I see is that Pantaleo's lawyer claimed that there was an internal PD report that included something from that doctor that the lawyer claims says that. I could find nothing about that doctor actually testifying, under oath, which if it's true and it really says what he lawyer claims and would help P, is very odd. All the hits are to P's lawyer saying it in one instance. If you have something that shows the actual report or the doctor actually testifying, I'd be happy to see it. P's lawyer saying some report says something doesn't amount to much.

Were you there to hear the MD testify under oath? I'd bet that she used the medical term, then described it in layman's terms. She also had photos of the injury. Regardless of what you call it, it shows that substantial force was applied, which if someone has asthma, could initiate the death sequence. Which of course is why they were BANNED by NYC and most other PDs.

Read the rest and figure it out.

Any other facts you want to try to distort into what amounts to lies? The actual struggle was short, it's on the video. The engagement with Garner, went on much longer. And she was summoned at some point. There was time for her to get there and it sounds like she arrived AFTER Garner had been wrestled to the ground, AFTER the chokehold had been applied.

Ah yes, another grand conspiracy theory. When you have a video that shows the Sgt was there and watching the chokehold, I'll be happy to see it. Until then, I'll go with what I saw reported, what I provided, was that she was summoned to the scene and arrived AFTER the chokehold.

You should think a minute. You're just like the Black Lies Matter people, immediately turning to race, ignoring the facts! The facts, as presented above, were that she arrived AFTER the chokehold, so why are you trying to make it about race?

Then why didn't they make sure that P got indicted? Not hard, since it's only the prosecutor presenting to a grand jury. And the BLM people are going to accept that all that P gets is he's fired? That makes sense? It couldn't be that they just played out the process fairly, let the chips fall where they may? Garner is dead, the cop used a banned chokehold, he got fired. Nothing there that I see that's out of line, out of the ordinary. And it sends a message to other cops, that you can't disregard training, use potentially deadly force, when a guy is just refusing to be cuffed and you have

4 cops on him.

[Bookem Dano]

It's real simple law and order. Resisting arrest never ends well for the do-bad...and that's as it should be.

A do-bad can ride to the precinct and get a lawyer or they can ride to the morgue. As a taxpayer, I prefer the do-bads ride to the morgue. LOL