You have to remove the spindle and then probe down the spindle hole. If you
don't have the tool and have to do them one at a time it helps to insert a
key in the lock and use it to pull so the clip you did doesn't pop back
while you do the 2nd one. It can also just be knocked out like other people
Here it is step by step:
Then considering you were the first to respond to it why didn't you just
give a useful answer the first time you responded? Come to think of it I
still haven't seen you tell them how to get it apart and here you are still
on the damn thread.
Chances are they won't take the time to replace the pop-out.But even if
they do, it will look like someone drove a screw into the keyway.
The Kwikset-or Tylo, or "kwikkie" or "pop-job" is a very prolific and
cheap lock that lots of people buy because they are cheap.
I have done plenty of them when I first started doing locksmithing
I don't work on them or rekey them that much because they are so easily
Like the other guy said-you bring it to the shop-I'd probably do it for
There's probably a lockie out there that would do that-or not for very
Next time you want a lock for a door, go stand in front of the door.If
it's the front door stand on the outside and stand right in front of
where the knob/lever is.
Now position your body so that half of you is in front of the door and
the other half of you is front of the wall next to the knob/lever.
In other words imagine that the frame of the door (next to where the
knob/lever is)is a vertical line running parallel to the middle of your
Stand a few feet away from the frame with your arms down.
Now bend your arms at the elbows like you are shooting 2 pistols from
Which hand is closer to the knob/lever?
If left hand-It is a left hand door
If right hand-it is a right hand door
If the door opens outward in either case-it is reverse.
So it could be right hand-(If your right hand is closest and it opens
inward)or right hand reverse-(If your right hand is closest and the
door opens outward)
Or left hand-or left hand reverse.
Alot of grade 1 and 2 locks will be handed, so you are better off,
especially if you can tell a locksmith"Well, I need a deadbolt for a
Left-Hand door" or "I need a deadbolt for a right hand reverse door".
Hope this helps.
In this thread, people already previously said the handedness was simply a
matter of where the hinges are. If the hinges are on the right, it's a
right hand door. If the hinges are on the left, it's a left hand door. Or
so I was told.
Is that not true?
Does it really depend on whether the door opens outward or inward?
a.. Left Hand (LH): If the hinges are on the left and the
door opens in, it's a left hand door. You push the door with
your left hand.
a.. Right Hand (RH): If the hinges are on the right and
the door opens in, it's a right hand door. You push the door
with your right hand.
a.. Left Hand Reverse (LHR): If the hinges are on the left
and the door opens out, it's a left hand reverse door. You
pull the door with your left hand.
a.. Right Hand Reverse (RHR): If the hinges are on the
right and the door opens out, it's a right hand reverse
door. You pull the door with your right hand.
a.. Another way to determine door "handing" is to imagine
yourself standing in the doorway with your back against the
hinges. Swing your right or left arm in the way that the
door swings. If you swing your left arm then the door is
left handed. Swing your right arm and it is right handed.
This method does not require a reference such as "from the
outside" or "from the inside".
above from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door
check out (Door Swings) about 2/3rd down the page...
It might have taken a hundred posts, but now I have my Kwikset "Tylo" lock
cylinders properly set into the entry knobs on my RHR entrance doorway.
Rather than wait for the rather helpful Kwikset Consumer Support to send me
the Kwikset cylinder removal tool which they said was in the mail, I went
back to Home Depot armed with the helpful suggestions in this thread.
With the confidence gained by all of you posting the information in this
thread, I asked for the locks to be reversed. The first floor person said
there was no such thing. I didn't waver as I had a printout of your posts
in hand. He brought them to the lock-department floor person who said the
Kwikset entry knob cylinder reversal instructions were in the package. I
gently said "I wish it were true". He analysed the instructions for about
three or four minutes before conceding this was true.
Luckily I flagged down the key cutter who knew how to remove the Kwikset
Tylo entry knob lock cylinder. She too never knew about the cylinder
reversal needs but, after reading my printout of these posts, she at least
popped the lock cylinder out in seconds for me. In addition, she handed me
a spare Kwikset cylinder removal tool and said "keep it" as she had plenty
in her key drawer.
I thank all of you for the expert advice. Without you, I would have gotten
the wrong answer at Home Depot.
Even the, shall we say, less than expert advice was helpful in that it
helped me gain the confidence that I wasn't the only one clueless about how
to properly buy the right lock for my RHR entry doorway!
Thanks to you all this record will help everyone who comes after us with
the same lock questions!
It's becomign clear. You are a cheapskate and buying locks at
Home Cheepo (And you bought the junky Tylos instead of the medium
grade ones or the Titans.) Since it wasn't costing you anything
but your time, you post a series of questions to Usenet. Asking
for us, for free, to teach you something that locksmiths all
across US do as part of their trade.
Then, back to Home Cheepo, and engage three of their people for a
period of time. To get them to do what any good locksmith would
have done simply, nearly effortlessly, and as part of his (her)
I'm starting to understand why some of the tradesmen on other
lists say "call a locksmith (or tradesman as the case needs)"
instead of doing internet teaching for free.
Christopher A. Young
You can\'t shout down a troll.
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:12:16 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Why so cruel?
What's wrong with learning?
What's wrong with Home Depot?
What's wrong with helping others on the usenet?
I saw scores of other people in Home Depot and here that knew as little as
I about locks. Are we all "cheapskates" just for shopping at Home Depot and
asking questions on the usenet?
I don't even KNOW where a good place to buy home hardware is other than
Home Depot or OSH or Sears. A door lock seems like a common enough
household item that Home Depot or OSH should stock the ones that you
suggest. Plus, based on this discussion, I was under the impression that I
could leave the door KNOB as a weak lock as long as the deadbolt was a
Are the Tylo deadbolts also succeptible to the cylinder removal puller?
As per your suggestion, I'll go back to Home Depot and ask for the "Titans"
but I don't remember seeing the name of the lock anywhere on the Kwikset
package. I think I'm stuck with Kwikset for now because of all my five inch
Does anyone know if Home Depot sells the Kwikset Titans?
Especially the grade 2 or grade 1 deadbolts which I am banking my security
If so, we ALL can go back to Home Depot to switch out our deadbolts
(although with a glass door, even with a deadbolt, I wonder how much it
really matters to have grade 1 locks).
There's not enough time to explain. Think about it, why has there
stock tanked over recent years while the housing market was booming?
Service, Service, Service - plus paying their corporate heads millions
for being incompetent.
Sears doesn't compete with HD in many if not most areas. Many
Sears/Craftsman brand power tools are also total Chinese made crap. As far
as customer service Lowes is about the same. No better no worse except that
they don't have self checkout so you will wait longer to get out the door.
Cause he is SO pissed off about a prolific, disposable nine dollar lock
that he can't help it.He sees the conglomerate of Home Depot as a
looming fire-breathing dragon that will fry him like an egg.He worships
the Tylo like a holy grail-LOL-He probably has a 2x4 poster of a
Kwikset over his bed.
Oh yes he has Kwikset on his front door-Whoopee Shit-If he had a Yale
5400, then he could rub shoulders with the elite class, but he
can't...so he takes it out on you, an innocent consumer who knows how
to ask questions in order to get things done,and that shows
intelligence-And He can't handle it!!!!
He carries a pickle fork!!! And he knows how to use it!!! (as an
Just ignore him!!!
Nothing-we are all learning.Once we quit learning or refuse to learn-we
They just suck-they stock way too much garbage and they don't pay their
A competent locksmith beats them all to hell when it comes to service.
Home Depot's delivery time to recieve something that is not in the
store-2 weeks or never.
My time-three to 5 days.
Nothing-Any time you have a question-post it here.
Did you try the spindle move?
It does work-had to do that last night-LOL
Did'nt mean to confuse you by "shooting from the hip" but that's the
way I do it.
it took me like an hour to read all these!.
The lock will work upside down, but is designed to work so that the
teeth on the key are up when inserted into the lock.
The kwikset cylinder is constructed with plastic parts so it cannot be
beaten on too aggressively.
You can pop it out with a screwdriver and brute force, but you stand a
good chance of damaging the assembly.
Initially, once you determined that the handing of the lock(s) was
incorrect, you could have returned to the store and if the guys in the
store didn't have the ability to switch them over with the simple tool
that is used for this task, then swap them out for Schlage which are
easy to reverse with a pointed tool (ice pick or equivalent). When you
are buying the Schlages, ask then to reverse the hand for you in the
store first, or show you how, or leave the knobs off the locks until
you've mounted them on the door, then pop the exterior knobs on with
the cylinders correctly oriented.
If you went to a locksmith in the first place, you would have been
directed to the right lock for the project, and they could have rekeyed
the new lock to match the existing locks in your home, and made you a
few spare keys. Locksmiths will alsrekey and adjust locks brought in to
them, even if you bought the locks elswhere. Call first so you know
they will do it, and they will be in the shop when you arrive.
If these were new installs, or you encountered other problems, such as
the existing holes in the door were too small to accept the new
hardware, then having a locksmith do it would have ensured a clean and
Having a little experience, mechanical aptitude and a few special tools
makes all the difference in the world.
A major portion of most locksmiths' key cutting, is for folks who tried
to get keys duplicated in a hardware store or home center; and the keys
they were provided don't work.
As pointed out elsewhere, the home centers usually carry the lowest
tier of product, so even if the lock is a 'brand' name, you are not
really getting the quality that you are expecting because the lock
company built their reputation on quality which is not present in
low-end residential products.
But it's like that in every market; manufacturers exploiting a brand
name built up over decades. and slipping in off-shore junk on you. But
on the other hand, the home centers are responding to what their
clients are demanding, and what has become the new way of thinking; buy
cheap and throw it away when it breaks.
With locks, and other critical items however, if it breaks, it may
result in a burglary or personal injury.
That's where a locksmith is also valuable, he won't sell you something
if he doesn't believe in it, because he knows the products, takes pride
in his profession, and is a businessman and knows you'll call him up
and he'll have to go back and make good on the job (referred to as a
Hope this helps
(I hope all you guys are all Locksmith Ledger readers!)
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