Flip Kwikset left-hand lock knob to right-hand keyhole reversal

guess you think its ok for a keyway to be upside down ? (WRONG)

not really :-) an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can get into the top springs, and cause problems down the road. an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can also causes restriction on the pins movement. not to mention the help of gravity to help allow the pins manipulating freely.

They were having a sale on pipe wrenches and big hammers that day were they?

Missing the point... re-read Heston's post.

May I suggest that you might be mistaken?

Here's a guy telling you how to pope a cylinder:

How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin piece of flexible plastic. If you want anything that will cause someone motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door jamb. Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch and slide it down.

nate

Steve wrote:

quick 2¢... when installed correctly deadlatch works and library card doesn't. :-)

Yes when installed wrong almost anybody with the knowledge of how to bend that card just right can get in with a credit card. That's why we make the big bucks... When we come across this at a customers location (via lock-out or break-in) we'll realign the strike plate to bring the "DEADLATCH" back into the picture and also encourage the purchase of a deadbolt and maybe a strike protector as well. Hey it is all about the Benjamin's and public safety is it not?

still in business, Roger

How...? the little extra pin still retracts when you push the latch back. unless you can stop that from happening, you will always be able to use the library card trick.

nate

Roger Cann wrote:

The cylinder clips in place with two spring steel clips at 180 degrees to one another. This allows it to be flipped for proper keyway orientation. It's designed for removal with a special tool but you you can also probe the clips from the rear with a sharp pick or other instrument. Note that this lock is also vulnerable to a widely available tool that removes the cylinder from the front even while locked so the security that it provides is next to nill.

The little extra pin is called an anti pick feature. If it is depressed, you should not be able to push the strike back.

This is total BS again showing how little you know about the trades you hack at. It can be popped with a screwdriver (or two) of the right dimensions or a sharp pick or anything that will physically fit for that matter.

didn't miss his point at all. just added an important point.

Now after somebody who actually knows what he's talking about tells you it can be you start going on about popping it with screwdrivers afterall. Go get a job flipping burgers and quit butchering things as a 'locksmith' and 'HVAC tech'.

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have to disagree, done it many times with one screw driver. "without damaging the clips"

That's all true but the fact is since they sell their product, probably most of it, at retail straight to consumers, who for the most part won't know how to remove the cylinder, they should IMHO include good directions and the tool and just add a couple bucks to the cost of the lockset. They could also sell it with loose cylinders to be popped in at install once the handing was known.

actually it can be popped out from the rear with a blunt ended punch :-)

That fact that you couldn't figure them out isn't surprising and doesn't mean they were garbage.