On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:26:49 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
Thanks. I guess he needs 30 years of supplies then. I was just going on
what the news out of Japan reported. That being radioactive contaminaton
would las hundreds of years. Must have been talking about Uranium or
Plutonium and not the isotopes created in the spent fuel rods.
Half-life describes how long it takes for _half_ of a radioactive
sample to decay.
The half-life of cesium-137 is 30 years, so after 30 years, 50% of the
original amount is still left. After 60 years, 75% is gone, but 25% of
the original amount is left in the environment. After 180 years,
roughly 99.4% is gone, a bit more than 1.5% is left in the environment.
You can see where the iodide isn't nearly as much of a concern. Half
is gone after 8 days, but it's mostly gone after 48 days.
Just to keep things in perspective, here's a radiation dose chart:
You need to rethink your objectives, priorities an strategies...
Yes, Yes, Yes, nothing beats the smell of the catbox in the morning.
Seriously? The world is coming to an end and you're gonna save the cat?
, cookware, bottled water,
Better be a shortwave radio with an outside antenna.
, spare batteries, spare car battery for
You'd better have a solar charger.
candles, matches + lighters, first aid kit with
Yes, Mr. Pharmacist, I know that's a 10 year supply. Whaddyamean I can't
Where you gonna empty the thing when it fills up?
Calendar, wrist watch,
You think you're gonna survive a nuclear winter???
How long you think the power will be up?
How long you think TV will be up?
set and laptop computer, along with putting an antenna
How long you think cellphones and landlines will be up?
But I understand your compulsion to tweet the high points of your day.
I hope to pipe in an actual water line from our well
Better make that a hand pump.
And water is neither created nor destroyed...just polluted.
Better work on a wastewater system.
Yes, you are missing some very important stuff.
1) Shotgun and a BUNCH of shells.
How long you think it will be before the Roving Band Of Marauders finds
your shelter and supplies?
2)CB radio is gonna be the major viable communication. Most everything
else will be gone sooner or later. Will also help the RBOM to find you.
And what if you do survive? What then?
Planting a garden won't do YOU much good if I find it.
The post nuclear world will be populated by groups of people who are not
afraid to kill you and the horse you rode in on to survive.
Your only hope is to join such a group NOW!
Planting a garden will do no good as he won't have time to harvest it.
Stocking a fallout shelter for survival over a long period is
impossible. the limiting factor is _water_. Lack of water will kill
you before lack of anything else (other than oxygen :)). You can't
store enough water to survive more than a very limited period.
Once that runs out you have to get out of the shelter to access more
and even that will be difficult in a city.
Of course I am willing to sell my stock of powdered water left over
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:00:29 -0700, Harry K wrote:
Hmmm powdered water. I think min human intake per day in the best case
scenario is 2 liters or half a US gallon. That's well under 200 gallons a
year. So 1 person needs approx three 55 gallon barrels of water a year
at the very minimum. Deep aquifers containing ancient waters may not be
affected by surface radioactivity. They do exist in the US. Do a little
research on the Ogallala Aquifer for one.
Hmm...2 liters x 365 = 730 gallons or 13 drums and that is taking your
figures. 2 liters is more than 1/2 gallon.
They you have to allow for washing up, etc.
Joe Blow average is not going to be able to dig a well to the aquifer
and muni supplies will not be available.
On Mar 23, 1:36 am, email@example.com wrote:
I have been putting up extra supplies for a while now hoping to have
enough to last the wife and me at least long enough for us to raise a
garden and live off our harvest. I'm also learning what I can about
living off grid if I should ever have too.
I'm not preparing for a long nuclear winter or some such thing that
would mean having to be in a bunker for years. There are just some
things I don't see much hope for survival.
I live in a rural area and if some disaster happens where we and
several of our neighbors survive I'm hoping that including my stash we
would have enough for us and our neighbors to band up and share
resources and knowledge in order for all of us to survive.
One or two people trying to guard a large stash of supplies from gangs
trying to kill them and take their stuff just can't make it. A group
of people with variety of skill sets have a much better chance of
If there's a disaster (Nuclear, Meteor, Super Volcano) that turns this
whole planet into a wasteland, just kiss your ass goodbye. Chances of
surviving long enough for the planet to heal itself so you can live on
the surface again are slim. But if you want to try anyway, go for it.
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