Agreed. That is a stellar presentation. Very nice.
I've used both MS Paint & IrfanView on Windows; but, I must suggest
that everyone try texting and arrowing with Paint.NET before you
conclude anything about any other program. Circle drawing is just
OK with Paint.NET.
Those three things are really what decides what freeware is "best"
for basic editing of DIY-style screenshots & photos:
- Texting (there should never be a need to draw a box!)
- Arrows (they should be drawn in a single point-&-click sequence!)
- Circles (they should be easy to point-and-click create)
Given those three extremely common requirements, it's sad (and
surprising), that almost all freeware editing programs fall flat
on their faces, when it comes to these three simple tasks.
You'll NEVER find another program that does curved arrows better
and easier than does Paint.NET (whether solid or dashed) - and - you'll
also find that the texting in MS Paint is exactly like it should be
(i.e., no need to estimate the size & shape to sweep out a box!).
The drawing of circles is pretty easy but nothing special.
Unfortunately, the best I could find on Linux for the same extremely
common tasks are atrocious in comparison. In Kolourpaint, you have
to estimate & sweep out a box to text; and in Kolourpaint you have
to manually draw the arrows, then curve then, then create your own
arrowheads from scratch ... and ... you can just forget about making
dashed arrows. As with Paint.NET on Windows, Kolourpaint on Linux
drawing of circles is pretty easy but nothing special.
As always, if there WAS a freeware editing program that did all three
of those extremely common tasks well, that would be the program I'd
consider best - and certainly - it would be the program I'd use
Nothing wrong with MS Paint, but the collage (or is it a montage?)
also required texting, circling, and arrowing - which is problematic
in most programs.
IMHO, on Windows, nothing does curved arrows easier (or better) than
Paint.NET; and, as you noted, nothing crops easier than IrfanView.
But, the choice of freeware depends on which program does the sum
total of the needed tasks easiest and best.
Unfortunately, I've never found ONE program (on either Windows or Linux)
that does the five basic DIY-editing tasks:
Easy stuff like cropping, texting, rotating, naming, & format conversion;
plus, the harder stuff like circling and arrowing & canvas enlargement.
I got carried away in the prior reply; so I'll directly answer.
I used a combination of Imagemagick & Kolourpaint on Linux
to create the DIY montages above.
1. Imagemagick to resize the photos to similar sizes.
2. Imagemagick to slap similar-sized photos together.
3. Kolourpaint to hand craft the more complex arrangements.
4. And, Kolorpaint to text, circle, & arrow the results.
Had I been on Windows, I would have used:
1. Irfanview to resize the photos to similar sizes.
2. Irfanview to slap similar-sized photos together.
3. Paint.NET to make the more complex arrangements.
4. And, Paint.NET to text, circle, & arrow the results.
IMHO, there is no single freeware program on either platform,
which will perform all the tasks necessary to assemble and
annotate a typical task-oriented photo scenario such as is
shown in the better amateur do-it-yourself (DIY) project
PS: I'm not sure what the difference is between a collage
and a montage, so, I used the word "montage" to indicate
an assemblage of photos & screenshots intended to help in
explaining how to do something, in a single resulting image.
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 09:57:32 -0700 firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I am too. I 'wish' Linux had as good a tool as Paint.NET for
annotating DIY photos!
Alas, the best I can find on Linux is KolourPaint.
Here's a summary collage of how to remove brownish deposits
(made with KolourPaint):
I do agree that IrfanView is absolutely fantastic as the best
picture "viewer" on the PC, bar none. Mainly it's fast. Really
really really fast. Twice as fast as most programs, and ten
times faster than a lot of them.
Even though IrfanView is only a "viewer", we all know IV also
does CROPPING wonderfully (click, click, crop). It converts
to various formats nicely (e.g., JPEG -> GIF); and IrfanView
is great with batch renamin and resizing operations (which
aren't so easy on the Windows operating system elsewise).
However, when it comes to TEXTING, drawing CIRCLES, and
especially curved ARROWs, IrfanView stinks. For that,
I'd suggest Paint.NET ...
The funny thing is that TEXTING is done wrong on almost
all picture editing programs in that they force you to
choose the area BEFORE you type a single character!
What's inexplicable about that is there is no need for
that. With Paint.NET, you simply type. No need to choose
any area whatsoever.
Likewise, arrows are almost atrocious how they're handled
on most picture-editing programs. With most, all you can do
is manually draw a curve and then manually draw an arrowhead
and you can just about forget doing dashed lines.
With Paint.NET, it's all done for you. You just draw the
arrow point 1, and then point 2, and it's done for you.
(You've pre-selected the type of arrow, direction,
arrowhead, dashes, color, etc., as the default.)
On the other hand, drawing circles and boxes around things
is relatively easy in most programs, but heaven forbid
trying to do it in something powerful like The Gimp. You'll
go crazy. Sure, it 'can' be done; but you'd die trying.
Irfanview isn't too bad with drawing circles, but, since
you NEED paint.net for the arrows and text, you may as
well draw the circles there.
In summary, IrfanView is a fantastic picture-viewing program,
which is fast and simple and powerful ... but it stinks for
the basic annotation of DIY-style photos. For for that,
Paint.NET is the best (although others will work too).
Note: This is all on Windows. For Linux, the corresponding
best DIY-photo editing program is the combination of
ImageMagick for batch operations, and Kolourpaint for the
manual texting, arrowing, and circling of objects.
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 22:12:17 +0000 Danny D. wrote:
For the record, today I needed to reproduce a firefox bug
on both WinXP and on Linux, so, I created essentially the
same screenshot on each platform:
I haven't been on Windows for a while, so, I had forgotten what
a fantastic dream Paint.net was in terms of usability (as compared
to what exists on Linux) in performing the three basic screenshot
annotation tasks of:
(a) texting (you just click & type ... that's it!)
(b) circling (you just click & sweep ... that's it!)
(c) arrowing (you just click & click ... that's it!)
In comparison the critical annotation triad on Linux was kludgey
(a) texting (you have to pre-select the text area ... yuck)
(b) circling (you just click and sweep ... so this is good)
(c) arrowing (all manual ... especially dashes, curves & heads)
Note: It's amazing that, on Linux, there isn't a single decent
freeware program for these three simple tasks that even comes
close to comparing to what exists on Windows - and - on Windows,
it's amazing that only one program does all three tasks correctly
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:25:27 +0000 Danny D. wrote:
One interesting result I should mention is that I've repeated
the acid test on a few toilet bowls since opening this thread,
and, one thing that is clear about the 'brown' deposits is that
the pool acid dissolves them - but - the pool bleach merely
turns them white.
So, I think they're mineral deposits which have, for whatever
reason, taken on a brown hue.
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