That's odd, because I have never heard anyone call say buy gas when they
meant propane, they always said go buy gas (gasoline) or go buy propane.
That way there never was any mix up between the two. Even though propane is
a gas that's stored in liquid form.
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:49:31 +0100, in alt.energy.homepower, Eeyore
Gas is a state of matter; gasoline is a motor fuel. "Petrol", OTOH, is a
goofy-sounding derivative of a word that can properly refer to any of
hundreds of discrete distillates, and only means "gasoline" by dint of
social convention. Just like "gas" in the US. And just as stupid.
For the most part I just say "we need more fuel", which is valid no matter
the particulars of the car/truck/motorcycle/boat/airplane I'm in. But this
is a result of conditioning from my dad being a truck [lorry] driver, and
there was never a question that trucks use fuel, diesel fuel. Never gas.
It stuck with me.
1. Most likely a vestige of our English heritage. Take a close look at the
idiots and halfwits we left behind; coming from that kind of stock, is it
2. You need to be more specific; America is a continent (actually a pair of
them); "American" can cover everything from Aleut and Inuit to the Araucan
and any number of Incan descendants, who all originated on other continents
3. Your mother.
On Jul 28, 2:17 am, email@example.com (Scott) wrote:
But you had the retard Bush! :-)
And may yet have, (so I hear) the even greater retard Palin!
How can you sleep at night with that possible scenario?
You are quite right about the dimwits over here. They are known
collectively as "New Labour".
We all came from Africa. Just some of us sooner than others.
My late father had an International TD9 that started on gasoline and
then changed over to diesel, but my understanding is that it was simply
because hand-cranking a diesel engine like that was impractical, not
because it needed to warm up. The compression ratio was much lower when
it was in gasoline mode, and cranking was far easier.
It was Massey Ferguson over here. A very small tractor. Harry
Ferguson invented the three point linkage. With it, this tiny
tractor could do the work of a much bigger tractor of the tiime. Only
the early ones had it (around sixty years ago)
Later ones had a diesel engine.
There are still lots about working on farms. TVO is no longer
available so they use heating oil now.
Don't see how you can change the commpression ratio of an engine
(except model aero engines) The engine had to be hot, the TVO needed
the hot spot to vapourise it. (pre crossflow technology)
Many early diesel engines could be hand cranked, they had a valve
lifter, a little lever on the crank case (side valves) It held the
exhaust valve open, you cranked like hell & then dropped the valves
and it started (hopefully) They had big flywheels in those days,
stored lots of energy.
I'm talking about "over there": the UK. It was just plain Ferguson to
start with, and Massey-Harris was a different make. Then they merged --
or M-H bought Ferguson. Maybe in the late 1950s.
I understand that the IH TD-x tractors/'dozers had an additional valve
in each cylinder that opened to an "extension of the combustion chamber"
(for want of a better term) in which the spark plugs were located, thus
reducing the compression ratio; petrol/gasoline would have exploded
rather than burned with a diesel-appropriate compression ratio. They had
spark plugs, magneto and carburettor as well as injectors. There were
two controls to effect the changeover, IIRC: one near the left front
(perhaps to switch fuel supplies), plus a lever accessible from the
driver's seat. Clouds of black smoke at the changeover.
Steered with two clutch levers and two brake pedals. Steering by clutch
reversed when going downhill! I only ever drove one in a field, never on
I have a Austin/Western Grader that has such an IH Engine in it. It is
a Gasoline Engine on one side, (Carburetor, Distributer, Coil, and
SparkPlugs) and a Diesel Engine on the other side> (Injection Pump,
Injectors, etc) To Start it, You opened the Gasoline Fuel Valve, put the
Change-Over Lever in Gasoline Mode, add about 1/2 Choke, and Crank.
Starts within 25 seconds, even down at -15F. Once started, you slowly
open the Choke, as the engine warms up, until it is wide open. Then wait
5 minutes for the block to warm. Once it is warm, you move the Fuel
Rack of the Injection Pump from Cutoff, to Idle, and watch the resulting
Black Smoke to turn to Dark Gray, and then move the Mode Lever, to
Diesel. WollLa, you now burning Diesel, and you can turn off the
Ignition System, and shut off the Gasoline Fuel Supply. Shutting down
the engine is the above, in reverse. If you don't do the shutdown, via
Burning Gasoline, you have a lot harder time getting the engine to
Start, next time you want to run it.
Bruce in alaska
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Was that maybe because if you shut it down on diesel, the cylinder and
plugs and such would be coated in diesel and not fire well?
I remember a friend of my dad that had a tractor with three tanks. He
had color-coded them, red for gas, green for diesel, and blue for water.
ISTR when running on diesel it also used a bit of water in the
cylinder. To help compression?
Yes, my late father had Fordson and Fordson Major tractors that were
like that, but I don't recall the smelly exhaust. The Ferguson he had
might have started off that way too, but he put a Perkins 3-cyl. diesel
I am guessing that they were optimized for running on TVO. Apart from
the greater cost of gasoline/petrol (even the red-dyed "commercial"
petrol, when that was available), they might not have run as well on the
Yup; my uncle, in the UK, had a Fordson tractor that started on petrol
and then changed over to paraffin (With ignition not in diesel mode
AFIK) in the 1940s.
Also on one occasion, here in NA, my Briggs and Stratton gasoline/
petrol mower ran out of fuel.
It was hot; so just for the heck of it I finished mowing using
Also here to avoid waxing problems in storage cold climate and to
avoid need to for separate storage tanks in small community fuel
depots diesel and furnace oil were (and still are AFIK) the same
I believe you're right on that. I met a survivalist once years ago. All his
cars and trucks were diesel. He used home heating oil in everything. He
claimed to have over 10,000 gallons stored up. Never bought fuel at the pump
unless he was traveling. Every spring when the heating oil prices would go
down, he filled up his tanks.
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