I have a house that isnt wired for any cable, I contracted with
Comcast to instal cable in 5 rooms but canceled the instal because
nobody at comcast would give me any type of estimate on cost. I
emailed and spoke to severasl people at comcast and could get no idea
on price, they have no office in my area of Chicago. What could the
aproximate cost be for running 5 rooms, a 60ft brick 2 story house,
all cable would come in one side easily accesable. Trees block
satelite dishes, UVerse isnt here yet, so its comcast. If its 500 or
over I could hire a friend and do it cheaper, does anyone have any
idea on what they will charge me. Without any estimate I could imagine
a 1000$ bill I dont want.
It's hard to say but they should be able to give you an hourly charge.
I've had them do work for a new internet hard wire required by a client
of mine a couple of years ago and it only took an hour for $20. It was
a fairly complex stringing. They did not charge for materials.
Later I had a couple of TV cables restrung and I think it was only $40.
It, too was complex, as they had to go in and out of rooms and attic and
I could do the work when I was young and agile but now pay to have it
done. They're also adept at making good cable connections and can check
signal strength, which I can't.
I can't speak to the cost, but I wouldn't let comcast or any other
cable/satt company do the in-house wiring on a bet. Every 'company'
install I have ever seen was done the cheapest most hillbilly way
possible, usually on the outside of the house, or if it was in the
basement or attic, the cable was just draped or stapled wherever.
Comcast uses subcontractors for work like that, at least around here,
and they are paid by the drop. No in-wall boxes ever, just holes in wall
or floor with the cable stuck through them. I would definitely call your
friend for a walk-through, and see what he says. Is basement ceiling
open? If putting boxes in walls is too complex, you can still do a
through-the floor to a wiremold-style box attached to baseboard, and
have it look halfway decent. If there is no good path to attic from
basement, you can do one outside wire from demarc location up the side
of house to soffit, and get into attic that way. Tuck it behind a
downspout or something, and then come down from attic through walls, or
even tucked in a blind corner of the bedroom closets, and have it look
halfway decent. If your friend seems hesitant, look in local ad paper
for that part of town- almost all have semi-retired or moonlighting ma
bell or other wire-pullers that do jobs like this. Insist on a name
brand rg6 quad cable, not the cheap generic stuff, and good quality
compression, not crimped, connectors.
Are you sure you can't get Satt at the location? If you can't see SW
sky, Dish has other birds where you can point to the SE and get signal.
The dish also does not have to be on the roof- it can be on a post in
the yard, assuming the neighbors won't break or steal it.
I would also keep a roof or attic antenna for OTA reception as a backup,
even if you have to buy converter boxes for old TVs. Lotsa local
stations around metro Chicago, so you would still have TV when the cable
was out or the dish was iced up.
Ditto that. Some of the 'installations' I've seen were so bad they
were _almost_ funny. One house they ran the cable up the house wall,
into the gutter and along the bottom of the gutter, out the gutter,
wrapped around the back of the house, back down the wall, along the
wall, up the wall, and straight in through a hole poked in the
stucco. There must have been 150' of cable. This when the basement
was open, unfinished, and the house was balloon-framed with no
Double Ditto that. This happened a
bunch of year ago in an apartment
building near Chicago. They put the
main drop into the attic for the whole
building and then came into each
apartment through a closet. In my
mother's apartment they proceeded to run
black coax along the white baseboard, up
and around 5 windows, down again to the
baseboard, along the baseboard on
another wall, up over the front door,
along the baseboard of another wall,
turn the corner, along the baseboard of
that wall and finally to the TV,
stapling it all the way. I sure hope
they do better today.
A year ago I asked Dish if they had a satelite SE they said no, is
this a relatively new sattelite, in Chicago here all I see are SW
pointing dishes, although I saw one or 2 pointing SE. I had an
exterior antenna I took down and will put up a new one and run two
cables when I do this. I would rather have dish, its cheaper and HD is
free unlike comcast.
At least in my market Comcast will tell you up front that they aren't
set up to do the sort of work you describe due to the fishing and
fussiness of old work. Also some folks are looking for a new paint job
or carpeting out of the deal and that further discourages them.
If you hire your friend make sure they use good connectors such as snap
seals (same thing the cable company uses) and not those novelty class
twist on connectors.
Cable companies aren't noted for spending money. There is a reason they
use snap seal connectors for everything. That is they work in the
initial "see it works phase" and unlike others they will continue to
give trouble free performance for a long time.
As you noted the crimp connectors are only slightly better than the
twist on connectors.
I believe that we once had an exchange (a long time ago) in CHA (or some
other forum) after you had switched to compression fittings but I had not
where I defended (foolishly) screw-on connectors as being "good enough."
What I soon discovered was that after just a few tugs for any reason the
screw-ons started to fail. I then bought a compression tool, partly on your
advice, and changed most of my runs to RG6QS. What a difference. Just a
little bit of RF leakage can really screw up the image, especially in a home
CATV/CCTV hybrid network.
The best part is that once you get a good hand stripper set to the proper
dimensions, it's a very quick process and every fitting looks perfect. I've
had to get a T-handle wrench to ram the connector's shield cylinder into the
cable jacket because of loss of hand strength issue. Before, I just used a
nut driver and before that, just my fingers )-:
Allelectronics has a compression tool for $15 that's in the little kit I
keep at the "head end" of the HA system.
Ironically, it's mislabeled as a hex crimper. I thought I *was* buying a
hex crimper because I wanted to use up all the old hex fittings I have
around but D'oh, there's no place I'd ever use them instead of compression
fittings. As luck would have it, it was a compression unit so it's now part
of a small toolkit at the circuit box and alarm panel. I really should just
toss the hex fittings - they are just nowhere near as reliable as a good
compression fitting. Maybe I'll round 'em up and put them on Ebay since I
don't even have hex crimper.
The screw-on ones are actually still useful for making very temporary ends
for cable before I make a final trim. I still use them for that task when
running CCTV, which is only thin RG-59. (I've learned to stay away from the
80% braid - just not enough material to make good physical contact,
especially if you're not perfect at skinning the jacket.)
The AllElectronics crimper is nowhere near as good as the Platinum
super-adjustable, but good enough. With two, I can set one up for the thick
RG6QS and the other for the RG-59U and really rip through cabling jobs. Not
sure how long CCTV is going to stay analog (the rest of the time I live
here, it will!) but running RG-59 and CAT-6 are pretty similar tasks. The
CAT-6 gets 4 channels to the one RG-59 carries, so it will win out,
So, anyway, thanks Mark for singing the praises of compression fittings on
CATV cabling. It finally paid off for me. By doing it myself, I've saved
more than enough to be able to afford the gold plated connectors.
Have your buddy pull in the cable then call comcast to do the
terminations - no cost (at least that's how Rogers works). Just make
sure you are using the RIGHT cable. Check with your cable provider -
most are now using 100% double sheilded cable - stiff stuff to work
with and not simple to terminate, compared to the old 80% braid.
My impression is that Comcast doesn't charge to put in cable (for a
couple rooms or so), they also don't do a very good job. At least no one
I know has had to pay one.
The parts are cheap, I'd be inclined to get it done yourself, rather
than have someone drilling holes through your walls. You may wish to
have them do as much free as possible, that doesn't wreck your home.
I've run cabling the right way, through walls and such, and I've never
seen a Comcast installer do that. At least, I'd get to know the
installer and cut a deal and perhaps pay him. Here, they all appear to
be contractors, and a little extra money would be good. You'd be
surprised what people will do for $20 off the books, let alone $100. All
people respond to attitude, be nice.
YMMV, and your location may be different. And my experience is not
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