I found that my barrel of copper wire scrap that I salvaged over 20 years of demolishing and rehabbing buildings is worthless. Scrap dealers won't take it.
Reason? I burned the insulation off back when burn barrels were legal.
A bit of poking around found that there seems to be two reasons. Burning insulation is banned and a big fine if caught and the dope heads do it that way.
I couldn't discover if there is an actual law against accepting it or just a general agreement not to accept. Anyone know or have a link to such?
Here is a link to a story out of Georgia. It appears that it is mostly
state and/or county laws (probably based on EPA recommendations)
Here is a link to a Texas county's regulation
where it says:
"the offense is a Class A misdemeanor if the violation involves
the burning of a tire or of insulation on copper wire.
Class A Misdemeanor. An individual adjudged guilty of a Class A
misdemeanor shall be punished by:
1. a fine not to exceed $4,000;
2. confinement in jail for a term not to exceed one year; or
both such fine and confinement."
The loophole in this process is the consolidator who pays about half
the going rate to anyone who brings them anything. They sort it,
crush it into a brick that can't be identified as anything stolen and
sell it to a registered scrap dealer.
They would take this burned wire, put it in the middle of some clean
wire, compact it and sell it.
The smelter would not care.
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:15:50 PM UTC-8, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Now there's an idea. I can come up with witnesses as to when one house and a school was demolished and neighbors can attest to the remodel of my house. That plus being friends (and having worked for) the county Sheriff...
I don't know where you live...but in some locations , not only can a
junk yard not take such copper, they are also required to report
you...so you got off easy.
Of course, the copper is worth a lot of money and it seems a shame to
waste it. Possibly you could dump it all out and let the rain and the
elements clean off the soot. In a few years it may be OK?
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:16:32 AM UTC-5, philo wrote:
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ust a general agreement not to accept. Anyone know or have a link to such?
I would think it's rather unlikely that rain is going to change it
enough so that it's no longer obvious it's not burned wire. And what
happens if next time they not only won't take it, but rat him out to
What a strange world we live in...... It's like they're pointing you
in the direction of illegally dumping it in the woods. Or you could
wait until they have some amnesty program. Heh, maybe even a buyback
program like they do with guns.....
Depends entirely on the jurisdiction in which you're trying to make the
sale. If the dealers can't provide exact statute/ordinance reference
(and I'd bet they can since they have to live with it), contact both
local government entity first. In most cases localities have the most
onerous requirements to deter the thieves beyond state and fed
requirements. I don't, however, believe you'll find anything at the EPA
or State level that has any such language on the basis of the
burning-off as the actual limitation.
That's on the scrap left of course, not the actual burning that
undoubtedly is illegal now everywhere in open air. The problem comes in
that there's no way to prove _when_ it was burned, probably.
You might poke around in archives of rec.metalworking--seems to me
there's been discussion there on some home-brew wire insulation strippers.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of amount are we talking here? 20-lb
or several hundred or even thousand? 20 yr is a long time to accumulate
but if it's only 6' now and then and it's all in a barrel doesn't sound
like so much that some occasional hand labor on off-peak times might be
out of the question...
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