I'm replacing an old full flow toilet. I know I have get a low flow one,
and the ones I've bought in the past either get clogged easily or require
two flushes. I've heard that the low flows have come a long way since they
first came out, especially in throat design. Is this true?
Are pressure assist toilets worth it?
Anyone know if American Standard's Best Flushing System is any good?
I'd like a two piece (easier to lift and install than a one piece) round
toilet that flushes efficiently.
I just (well last year) replaced a toiled with a new low flow. Have not
clogged it yet. I'm happy with it. Of course it is one piece (I can't
stand two piece units because of the crud that builds up between the pieces)
and has an elongated bowl - a welcome option for the little guy during those
sit down moments :)
I don't know which model of Kohler (possibly the Wellworth)
I installed about a year ago, but it isn't a power flush and
it was on the low price price end. It's two pieces, round
and flushes at least as well if not better than our other
one which is 23 years old. I was surprised at how well it
works; not one single problem. If I where to buy again I
would look for the same model of Kohler.
I'm not an expert by any means, but am in a similar situation. I've
seen this question posted here and elsewhere many times. I'm not
knocking Kohler (have three of them myself) but the brand that's
recommended the most seems to be Toyo.
Uh, there's a one-year index in every issue ;-). I believe it's "Toto"
not "Toyo." My anecdotal experience is the less expensive Toto works
well, but is noisy, and more expensive than but not noticably better
than the Kohler Wellworth.
We've had 1.6 gpf Wellworth and 1.6 gpf American Standard Cadet III for
10 years. Both worked flawlessly. The Cadet needed a new float valve
after 9 years, the Wellworth is still going strong. Unless someone has
an unusual problem, either should be fine. And they're inexpensive.
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:51:35 GMT, Java Man (Espressopithecus)
We have the 1.6 gpf Wellworths (three of them) and like them so well
we stayed with them when we had a choice for the new house. They're
the standard option in this development and everyone I've spoken to is
very happy with them.
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
Gerber with a Sloan pressure valve works well. Kohler with the same
valve also works well but is noisier. My parents have 2 new Gerbers
and I have 4 Kohlers. One advantage to the Sloan valve is that not
only does the pressure give a powerful flush but it also senses back
pressure so if there is a clog it instantly stops flushing and cannot
cause an overflow.
I just went through the same thing - looking at the PA models. We
ended up with the new American Standard Champion. It's not pressure
assist, but has some impressive marketing material. Also looks like
less to go wrong than a pressure assist. Works well so far, relatively
quiet (PAs are loud IIRC). Would recommend
I've had 4 Sloan valve pressure assisted Kohler's in my house for 7
years and none have needed any service. But they are noisy. I just
got my parents 2 Gerbers with the same sloan valve and they are quiet
and very fast. Don't know if the SLoan valve is quieter now of if it
is the toilet design.
Thanks for all the replies. I did go to kohler.com and saw the Wellworth.
It looks like one of the Kohlers I saw at Home Depot. All of you gave it
good marks. I'll have to consider it.
As a funny aside, the last Kohler I had was an expensive one piece
installed in 1991, before 1.6 gpf was mandated. I had nothing but trouble
with it, but I'm sure things have changed. The toilet it replace worked
fine, but my then 3-year old stuffed a plastic toy (a blue plastic duck for
the tub) down its throat, which I discovered only after using a mirror as a
periscope. I removed the old toilet, and still couldn't get the darn toy
out, even by breaking the toy, so I decided to install the Kohler. The
good old days!
Just installed two Kohler toilets. A Wellworth and a Devonshire. So far so
good. The thing that amazes me is just how quickly it flushes and takes
everything with it. The only concern I have is what happens
downstream--With so little water is it enough to carry everything all the
way out to the main sewer system? I have visions of things stopping midway
out to the street because of the low water flow eventually resulting is a
clog. Is this a concern?
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