If a house currently has multiple window air-conditioners, are these
significantly less efficient than central air, if the house were
retrofitted with it?
I realize the comparison is complicated, so assume all other factors
equal, and assume: the vents and their position for central air would be
adequate; about half the rooms are normally in use; nobody's concerned
about the window-view obstruction, etc.; Chicago climate; poorly
A companion question is, does the efficiency of air conditioners
increase significantly with size?
Installing central air costs a lot of money. Once it's installed, the
cost of running it is less than the cost of what you have now.
However, it would take more than 30 years to make up the cost. It
could even take more than 100 years. In other words, if it costs you
$1000 a year to run window units and $800 a year to run central air
that's a savings of $200. However, if central air costs $6,000 to
install, it will take 30 years times $200 a year for you to get your
So if you are comfortable now, don't change. If you are hot now,
consider the money.
"Are you still in the business Turtle? 6K is a normal median price.
are less, some more. You can't touch an Infinity system for 6K, nor
just a 13SEER 410-A over 3.5 tons. "
And of course it all depends on where you're starting from. If the
house has a modern forced air heating system, it;s one thing. If it
has hot water heat, then it's a different story.
This is Turtle.
I see the ones here speaking has stars in their eyes of what they think the
Oakdale, La. 71463 HVAC service company makes money wise. There is 2 of the 5
service and installer companys in town that thinks changing out a 5 ton
condenser for a job at cost + $125.00 = the job done. $885.00 sales tax included
for a Evcon / Luxaire / York. I bid $1,500.00 in Rheem and $1,275.00 in Goodman.
The other bidder told the preacher that i was a ripping the church off by
wanting these high prices. The sad part here is the preacher believed him but
the other fellow would not come back to fix the job with a freezing up expanion
valve problem. They called me to come fix the mess up and i told the Preacher it
would be $200.00 to fix it. he said that seemed way to high to fix it. i said
then you know it could run $300.00 or so the more I think about it. I went a
head and did it for $225.00 but i will never get use to Idiots in the customer
3 of the 5 service companys have other jobs and suppliment their income with
hvac work. There is only 2 companys that do this full time for a living, Myself
and one other. If you want to work residentiual jobs. You have to put up with a
fellows who thinks Cost + $125.00 for condenser units and Cost + $250.00 for
complete system change outs [ furnace , coil, and condenser ].
I thought about moving years ago but did not for some reason.
Turtle, I think you should have moved. You need to get paid for you hard
work and years of experience.
In hot (& humid) climates with long cooling seasons I wish every county
government, utilizing the power companies, would fund an Energy Audit
campaign to reduce the massive waste of energy in America. (That ought
to get some feathers ruffled.) - udarrell - Darrell
Factors in the Correct Sizing of Residential Air Conditioning Systems -
Recommended Procedures for Proper Duct Sizing of Residential Air Conditioning
This is Turtle.
The ideal of getting the hvac system to working right by a engery program would
be a good ideal for here laterly about 1 in 5 calls of hvac trouble is too much
freon in the system. They gas them up in cool weather and when it gets hot. They
will stop working for too much freon in them.
This is Turtle.
I don't know of any single hvac system that cost $6K as of now or in history of
There is 3 -- 410-A systems in oakdale and all 3 of them are not working. We had
a local install them and they don't work right. He has not got paid for them yet
and is being sued.
The highest bid i know of was $5,300.00 for a 5 ton 13 seer rheem heat pump for
a small Church and plenty of ductwork.
now if you get commercially the money goes up and $6K is nothing for a job. Now
all residentiually job are poor boy stuff and is low ball, city. We have one
hvac fellow who trys to get $250.00 off a complete system change out of 4 or 5
This is boB
You need to look at someplace other than Oakdale. We got a unit only for
our 1985 SF home and it was $5K. That was the CHEAPEST. This was 7 years
ago. Our property value has gone up 40% here as well. Can Oakdale boast
that? If you want to make some money, come to FL.
"TURTLE" < firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message
Just send him some....Turtle deals with fuckers too stupid to care who works
on their shit, and Chris is perfect for fucking them out of every damn
dollar they make..
Chris and Terry are the reasons that the general public looks down on the
HVAC biz as a whole....they dont know what they are doing, cant repair
anything, and when they do, they have to ask what kind of freaking CLEANER
to use, after making wild claims about being in the trade since they were
Terrys dad should have been locked up due to child labor laws....or at
least, for making such a stupid fucker in the first place.
This is Turtle.
If it was a crime of being a Asshole and lier. You surely would be in jail.
i8've got a question for you. Where do you get al this hate from for i have not
seen anybody with better hatred than you is Paul. Now he has settled down , so I
guess your the biggest Hatred Fellow around. Give me some more of that hatred
for your good at it. Do you work for a living or just hate all day ?
I know you've got issues with Paul and a couple of the minions (doh!),
but if you take up with Stormy who is a troll by way of being mentally
incompetent, you stand to lose a lot of respect from people in the group I
fear. You are judged by the company you keep Paul & others may be assholes
but they are not deviants although I can't prove it. I don't know why that
idiot bites my craw but he does and he is not contributing anything of value
to this newsgroup (my opinion). In fact I believe, he will see the gates of
hell long before Paul gets done telling Saint Peter to Blow Him... :)
Please don't encourage Stormy to post to this group. He needs to
listen and learn allot more about HVAC before opening his mouth to give
Again just my opinion, Joseph
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