: On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:28:44 -0800, dean wrote:
: > Why is it so dangerous? I know about CO and fumes. Its not
going to be
The rest of us will
: laugh at you on the evening news.
Speak for yourself, blatherskite. There is no "rest of us" on a
: On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:50:20 -0500, Pop wrote:
: >>> Why is it so dangerous? I know about CO and fumes. Its not
: >> The rest of us will laugh at you on the evening news.
: > Speak for yourself, blatherskite. There is no "rest of us"
: > ng.
: Well of course there is, silly. Everyone else besides the
: dipshit is "the rest of us". Simple, no?
No. Wrong. I don't need you to think for me; therefore, since
I don't think like you do, I am not part of the "rest" of your
comment. If tinw is new to you, then you're pretty ignorant yet.
Look it up, iggie. So speak for yourself.
: Are you related to that halfwit, or something?
: If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
: Linux Registered User #327951
A serious reply.
I once tried to use my leaf blower to clean the garage with the 16' door
open. About 45 seconds into the project all my smoke alarms were screaming.
The one in the garage set them all off.
Many people die each year from using propane or gasoline engines in enclosed
areas. Don't be one of them. Build or buy a generator enclosure, set it up
outside as needed or don't use it.
: Why is it so dangerous? I know about CO and fumes. Its not
going to be
: on when I'm not there. Its not going to run when I'm upstairs.
: going to sit there most of the year doing nothing, and get used
: once a year for 5 minutes, while I stand there and watch it.
: big deal?
: The fan mentioned above is a good idea, but it will have to be
: the generator:)
Boy, this thread's drawn some strange ones out of the woodwork,
but they're all I think meaningful if tongue in cheek or
The problem is CO. It's odorless, colorless and undetectable
unlike the remaining fumes that the generator exhaust pushes out,
which are quite smelly. It'll also collect in "pockets" and one
won't know they're breathing it, even after the generator is
turned off. Look up CO poisoning if you'd like more details on
its effects, etc.
The fan would help, but not eliminate the CO problem. CO could
still collect in the furnace compartments, any 3-sided enclosure
the fan doesn't evacuate. Less dangerous with a fan, but still
Isn't there any way you could locate the generator where you
could push it outside a door, close the door, and hopefully not
get the exhause pushed back into the basement?
If you really have to have it inside like that, then get hold of
an exhaust kit to vent the exhaust thru a door or the wall to the
outside. It's not foolproof, but it'd be a lot better.
I'd vote for a way to get it jsut outside a door to run it.
Maybe in its own enclosure you could push it into when you need
it. Then you also wouldn't have the issue of having fuel leaks,
spills, oil leaks, overflows, etc. in the basement.
Plus, if a generator ever goes whooey-belly-up on you, it's
quite likely to emit so much and so strong smoke that you may not
be able toget to it to shut it down or fight a small blaze around
it because of the smoke.
I had a lawn tractor barf its oily guts onto my driveway a
couple summers ago because it overheated and I'd hate to have had
that in my basement: No fire, but a tremendous, harsh billowing
cloud of smoke flew up around it for about 5 minutes until it
cooled enough and the smoke started to disperse. No flames, but
the muffler was well coated with oil when I could get near it
I'd seriously opt for some method to at least get it outside a
door. Maybe a quick, cheap little covered space for it with
enough sides to keep the snow out. Doesn't matter if it runs 5
minutes at a time or 5 hours.
You can't kid us. The power is out; you have a generator. Of course you
will run it more than just to pump up water pressure. Furnace... lights...
fridge... tv... you know, civilization. Maybe you can figure out something
about the exhaust (and your generator vents the crankcase blow-by gases to
the air intake) but there's no getting around the issue of indoor gasoline
handling which is dangerous enough to nix this idea regardless of the other
You need to figure out a way to run this outside where it's safe and
sufficiently convenient that you will forget these thoughts. Being able to
have all the comforts SAFELY while your neighbors shiver in darkness is
worth a little extra effort to work out the details in advance.
I don't know what's come over the group today. Usually they warn
people like you about imminent death. So I'm going to bring it up
and wait for someone else to say what differentiates this case from
all the others where death was abig risk.
No one even said to get a CO detector.
But I still have doubt about the fan to do anything substantial, and
the gases in the basement will probably rise to upper areas of the
I had an old outboard motor I was repairing and testing. I Put a
sawhorse in the bathtub and mouted the engine to that . I starte a 21
inch fan blowing out from teh bathroorm and another pretty big fan
blowing in the same direction in the bathroom door. I started the
engine and within 5 seconds the room was filled with smoke. and the
fans were I think continuing to fall behind in blowing out the air.
My 5 or 10 second test was enough that I took it out on Jamaica Bay.
Now it made a lot of smoke because iirc it was a two-cycle engine, and
it was old, but that has nothing to do with the inability of the fans
to remove the exahaust gases.\\
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Now mm why would he want a Co detector, More money and alot of work to
hook it up like a gen, and with all that noise you wont hear it anyway.
I know my neighbors lawnmower caught fire, oh but this is a generator,
Maybe Nick will be along to help you with Cogen.
Ok here's the deal. I have another generator, which runs the rest of my
house. Its a honda 2000i, I can't hear it from the house when I run it
in the garage with the door open. I wired it up to a transfer switch
with 6 circuits and it works perfectly.
Problem is, it does not have 220V. The only thing in my house that
needs that is the well pump. And I dunno about you, but water is the
MOST important thing to me after a day of blackout.
Hence my original question. I am here getting opinions and will act on
them when this thread is done. I know for sure I can run my 2000i in
the basement and make zero smoke and just a little smell. I just need a
220V generator. I dont see the big deal about running it for a moment -
after all how long does it take a well pump to provide 100 galons?
Are you trolling or serious... Thats nice you know your honda will
just smell a little and make little noise down there. If your running
any gas engines down there your out of your mind!
If you can, modify your will to leave me the 2000i when your overcome
CO down there. Run the 2000I in the garage and run the 220v unit
right next to it with a real long plug.
Or just get a backup 110v pump... Or get an emergency battery operated
Cant we have a conversation here without assuming everyone is a
complete fuckwit? People aren't necessarily stupid just because they
are strangers online.
Boces - how can I put in a 110V or backup well pump, 200 feet below
surface? Run a new system next to it? Dig a second hole? Come on!
Checking the gas level? When I only use it 5 minutes a year, it will
never run out! What if my exhaust fan is blocked by snow? Jeez how
could I ever notice that one, after all I'm only standing right next to
the thing, as mentioned! And so on....
I'm not asking for reassurance, I'm looking for opinions from smart
people who may have alternative ideas. That's where google groups is
fantastic. I've use this group to install a generator transfer switch,
fix my fridge, fix the garage door opener, untold great advice. Its the
patronizing dickheads that make it all tedious to wade through all
their waffly 'fatherly advice, son'.
So far, the soundest advice I think I'll go along with is to run the
generator in the garage (YES OPEN!) and run a cable down to the
Thanks for all the good advice everyone.
I would think that the word you want is dimwit.
That word makes sense, means something.
Your word is inane, and vulgar for the sake of being vulgar.
And when you come here for free answers, you should tolerate when
people suspect you are a dimwit**. You certainly shouldn't escalate
what is only his suspicion for the sake of your own safety to gutter
**Whether they have reason or not. But actually there are reasons.
After all, you only suspect your current generator can't run the pump,
when you have all the parts to find out for a fact if it can or not.
And you think you can blow the exhaust gas out***,
***The fans will blow out a little exhaust gas and the rest won't be.
How many times will it have to blow out the entire volume of basement
gas to blow out 90% of the exhaust gas? I don't know but quite a few.
and what follows:
And the downside to his family, and anyone else who might be there.
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I have hooked up a generator in the dark during the rain (outside) and
I can tell you it is not the same thing as doing it for practice on a
nice sunny day.
I am reminidng you to remember the human factors.
You will be tired and under stress.
If you do everything perfectly you may be able to run the gen in the
basement. If you make a mistake it could be a big problem, fire CO
Do you trust yoursefl to do it exactly right in the dark and under
We don't assume stupidity because OP is a stranger, we assume
stupidity because OP wants to do a stupid thing. to wit: running
a generator in the basement.
There are ways to run an engine in a basement safely.
All of those ways are more work and more money than
finding a different solution to the problem.
Contractors ran a gas masonry saw in our basement while we were out. I
have no idea how long it was running for, possibly on and off most of
the day. They would have had, at most, a small window open and a
direct-to-the-outdoors door open. When we got home there was a distinct
smell of gas and fumes in the kitchen, directly above where they were
working, that took a day or two to dissipate, and of course a stronger
smell in the basement. It must have been miserable while they were
there. Of course that would have been a two-stroke, I presume.
Just a data point for your consideration.
How about a 2:1 transformer? Startup might still be a problem...
It might help to start a motor with a flywheel first, or use a surplus
120 to 240 V motor-generator or a 120 V motor connected to a 240 V motor
with a small 2:1 field transformer.
I've looked at the EU2000 exhaust port. It should be fairly easy to
remove the muffler and attach a stainless steel flex pipe with
an oval flange with a hole in it and the two original bolts.
What does the well pump pull, a step up 120-240 transformer is cheap,
gee I have about 6 from living in europe . What is surge capicity on the
2000. But you are pretty careless to run a gas motor in the house.
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