Who pays for the repairs when your car has a problem? Or when your
AC or furnace goes out?
Sure there are scammers, but I hardly thing Bloom falls into that
category. Don't you think Kleiner Perkins did lots of due
diligence before they gave this guy $100mil and knew that it would
ultimately take $400mil to get to production? This venture capital
firm has been around silicon valley for 4 decades and has funded some
of the most successful startups in history. Sun Microsystems, Compaq,
Google, Amazon, Genentech..... They certainly have access to the
best and brightest minds that would know fuel cell and any other
It's still a start-up company that is doing hand built prototype
testing. It's not at all unusual for a new company to not disclose
everything until they are at a point where they feel it's
On Feb 22, 8:17 am, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
People at Perkin-Elmer back East will be surprised to learn that they
are venture capitalists, since they have only been making scientific
instruments for many decades.
On the other hand, Kleiner, Caulfield, Perkins and Byers in the West
may be miffed for not getting credit for their savvy investments in
risky high tech ventures.
Just for the record...
On 2/22/2010 9:17 AM, email@example.com wrote:
Maybe, but I've heard the only reliable fuel cells run on hydrogen and
major company working on figured at least 10 years before they had a
commercial product that was cheap and reliable. The cells would be
small and portable and could power your house or car. There has been
considerable R&D on these and I'd have a wait and see on these guys.
Which, of course, is part of the problem -- they've let precious little
actual information other than hype and generalities out.
Here's the most detail I've ever seen and it's of very little actual use
in understanding what's going on for either a material or energy balance.
One thing I've found most interesting is that having spent a
considerable fraction of career in R&D targetted to the generation
utilities via EPRI this outfit while based quite close to EPRI
headquarters has been resolutely adamant about approaching them for
either funding or for demonstration/pilot studies. Perhaps w/ the
principal's primary previous sugar daddy having been NASA he's simply
unfamiliar w/ the commercial power folks but that would seem hard to do
in Sunnyvale while EPRI's in Palo Alto unless is purposeful...
Sorry, forgot the link...this predates the 60 Minutes piece; may be from
whence they got the idea for the segment, who knows...
That says that it doesn't release carbon, which is obviously erronious if it is
using carbon based fuels.
If these things are 50% efficient, the excess heat could be used to heat houses
at the same time they power them.
Which is only one of the many mysteries yet to be revealed by the Wizard
behind the curtain in the Land of Bloom...
There's a minor inconvenience of 2nd Law and conservation of mass that
_will_ have to be dealt with eventually. Maybe they've got it down and
it is something radically new and different; there surely isn't enough
information yet publicly available to make one confident of such. And
surely the 60 Minutes segment doesn't do anything to help in that regard.
There's so much breathless crap about this device, nobody can make a
judgement yet. CBS' report has no useful information. Another news website
claimed the box "mixes oxygen with...renewable fuel like solar..." for a
chemical reaction..!! Yet another points out the fuel/oxygen mix has to
be heated to a very high temperature. So where's the energy for *that* come
from? Google "saves" $100,000 because of the state government heavily
subsidized the investment (with money the state does not have). And then
there's the magic "ink".
Nothing to talk about yet.
Well, if you were just a teeny tiny bit smarter than dirt, you could
have followed that serch result and found a plethora of information
about hydrogen fuel cells currently in use. You would even know where
they get the hydrogen.
But, you'd have to be at least a teeny tiny bit smarter than dirt...
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