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as long as we can have a gay bar and a shooting range using jesus for targets next to churches

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
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You should only hire occupiers who have degrees in Ancient Egyptian Literature, >$100K in student loans, and live in mommy's basement. They

*must* be motivated, right?
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krw

They get good paychecks now and absurdly good benefits. Get rid of the 10%, sure, but fix the other problems, too.

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krw

The gist is that the constitution, and TJ's suggested interpretation, only impact on active things. That the legislative bodies can't pick out one and make it the official religion. This has nothing to do with more passive actions such as allowing Christmas decorations or even pagents, and especially not disallowing student-lead prayer.

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Kurt Ullman

But the person dies, not the corp. One of the reasons behind a corp is to last longer than the individual. Besides, this doesn't begin to talk about the main problem, that is traditionally has been used as a means to take away money when someone has more than the PTB think they should. I think an inheritance tax is fine as long as it taxes what is inherited at the same rate as it would have in a non-death situation. Inheriting stock, pay the cap gains like any other sale (although I would also be happy with no taxes, but no update in basis so we'd still get the some amount of money when sold... even if two more generations later)./

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Kurt Ullman

Heh! Saw an "I'm a recent college graduate with a boatload of debt and I can't find a job!"

Interviewer: "What was your college major?"

Occupier: "I don't see how that's relevant."

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HeyBub

Then: a) The teacher should obtain the necessary skills to motivate the un-motivated, or b) The student should be cycled into the "incorrigible" career path.

I agree you can't make a railroad locomotive out of wood, no matter the skill of the craftsman. But you can change the builder's raw materials.

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HeyBub

Er, no. First, you've got to establish who exactly IS a Christian. I know that Southern Baptists do not consider Mexican Catholics to be Christians. A near-majority of non-Mormons don't think the Mormon Church is a Christian entity. And so on.

I can't imagine getting anywhere close to unanimity on the definition. Without a firm test, you're doomed.

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HeyBub

Um, yes, if they met the requirements of being able to speak in a public school (remember, the original context was with pupils being able to express themselves). We already permit gay and lesbian teachers, and readings of "Sally Has Two Mommies".

My ACTUAL view is that schools should prohibit that which falls outside contemporary community standards (we already do that with obscenity). But as long as the current rule is "anything goes," why should religion be excluded?

No, I wouldn't. My religion teaches that what God wants is righteous conduct. To the degree that such proselytizing strengthens the faith - and conduct - of the preacher, it's a Good Thing(tm). My kids won't be affected by it. Nor insulted. We'll wish the Christians well and success in their endeavors.

I'll admit I'm confused by your terminology; what's the difference between "irreligious" and "non-religious?"

Just asking.

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HeyBub

I disagree. Merely permitting a behavior is not the same thing as endorsing the behavior. If I showed up at the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Bermuda shorts and a t-shirt, I'd probably be permitted to attend a performance of The Marriage of Figaro. But I bet you a dollar, the blue-noses wouldn't approve of my attire.

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HeyBub

Er, no. It wasn't until 1946 that the so-called "Establishment of Religion" clause was imposed upon the states. Until that time, any state could have a "state sponsored" religion.

For example, the Massachusetts Constitution read, in part:

"...the people of this commonwealth have a right to invest their legislature with power to authorize and require, and the legislature shall, from time to time, authorize and require, the several towns, parishes, precincts, and other bodies politic, or religious societies, to make suitable provision, at their own expense, for the institution of the public worship of God, and for the support and maintenance of public Protestant teachers of piety, religion and morality, in all cases where such provision shall not be made voluntarily."

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HeyBub

Okay, I'll play. Show me ONE off-topic thread I've started that didn't have OT as part of its subject. Just one.

And I will not accept anything about light bulbs as being off-topic.

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HeyBub

You are correct. And in so doing, they deprived me of a choice. The government forced me to do what's good for me (and others) when all they had to do was mandate a sign: "If you eat these tacos, the state of California will get cancer" or somesuch.

I expect a mandate soon to eat at least three helpings of arugula each week. There will be monitors.

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HeyBub

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as long as we can have a gay bar and a shooting range using jesus for targets next to churches

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Stormin Mormon

"HeyBub" wrote in news:- sqdnYg9bIIcEb_SnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:

That is indeed what is happening in a nearby school district. Teachers were fired en masse, and many were re-hired at different "schools". "Schools" were closed and new "schools" and "academies" were opened (same old buildings), and students and teachers were re-apportioned to warehouses and teaching facilities (my words). I think they generated ways for kids to move from warehouse to school, and vice versa. Hopefully the pregnancy rates will "improve" ...

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Han

"Attila.Iskander" wrote in news:jft6np$44f$1 @dont-email.me:

For a recent opinion on Gingrich:

or (same page, shorter url)

In science, I learned about diarrhea of the mouth or pen. While some people are good scientists and publish good work, some get by with bad work, and some get by on their perceived reputation and their avalanche of publications that may or may not be important.

Apart from being a terrorist among GOP members, who kicked him out for ethics violations, he is also a lier. To top it off, he has even less of a chance to beat Obama than Mitt has ...

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Han

"HeyBub" wrote in news:T5adndop6dweDb_SnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:

I like that phrase "righteous conduct". I will use it too. In my view righteous conduct doesn't mandate any religion or view except being a "good person"?

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Han

"HeyBub" wrote in news:GuidnWB14ss5DL_SnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:

There is a difference between proselytizing and Bermuda shorts, AFAIK. And, no, I don't approve of either under those circumstances. As you said elsewhere - righteous behavior is what should (fill in verb).

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Han

The Daring Dufas wrote in news:jfsu9g$bc$1 @dont-email.me:

Yep, but over here a "no, thank you" to the Jehovah's witnesses has been sufficient

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Han

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:2Y6dnSTJGIF1Gb_SnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:

I agree that the "prohibition" against decorations etc has gone a bit too far. Student-led prayer is a different thing, since then a majority, or even a minority, can easily become coercive. Look at a (perhaps crazy) example. If you allow that in a majority Christian/Catholic/Baptist school, you need to allow it also in a majority Jewish community, or Muslim community. I can see it already, before a public high school football game 3/4 of the students prostrate themselves facing east ...

If someone wants to bow their head and mumble a phrase or two, or cross themselves before coming to bat, that's fine, because it is a short and personal gesture. Leading the congregation in prayer is something to be done in church (substitute other religions' peculiarities).

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Han

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