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It's not "progressive" (a.k.a. socialist), if it is the same rate for everyone and only has a poverty cutoff.

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Pete C.
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which is of course exactly the same thought process that goes through those good xians that demand prayer in school, don't think women can make choices about their bodies or think the world will end if they can't have public displays of mangers and xmas trees

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

Jim Yanik wrote in news:Xns9FE584CD42139jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44:

I TOTALLY disagree: It is still a "free market", with supply and demand in a wide open market place. People may burn out in high pressure, high salary financial industry, and decide they may be better off ("feeling-wise") as teacher. That may give us a good teacher, like one I know. If the salary is too low (see your next paragraph) the potentially very good teacher may opt for another job. It is weighing a "calling" against a livelihood.

As I said, it is weighing a "calling" against a livelihood. But it isn't really fair to reduce compensation by imposing new regulations AFTER the teacher has been hired and contracted. And the latter has happened here in NJ.

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Han

To be clear, I firmly believe the person at the McD grill, Bill Gates and myself should all be paying the same percentage of our income in taxes. This of course means Bill will pay the most in $, the McD guy the least and I will be in the middle somewhere.

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Pete C.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in news:bLXTq.541407$ snipped-for-privacy@news.usenetserver.com:

You're not enhancing Mitt's chances. And you are not enhancing respect for the Mormon ideals or faith. And that's a pity.

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Han

"Pete C." wrote in news:4f205038$0$30349$a8266bb1 @newsreader.readnews.com:

as well as:

To have 2 scales, a zero scale for the real poor, and a uniform scale for everyone else is philosophically the same as having multiple, progressive scales. Flat taxers shoul first focus on getting rid of loopholes.

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Han

A $500K line of credit at Tiffany's has been known to cause some women to drop their linen. Doesn't every "plain ol' Joe" and "champion of the little guy" have a Tiffany's credit line?

-- Bobby G.

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Robert Green

Jeez, HeyBub. You want your party to lead, but you can't remember to add OT to an Off Topic post subject line. How's your team going to handle the "tough" decisions if adding two letters is too hard for them?

-- Bobby G.

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Robert Green

Which is one reason why taxes won't solve the problem, even amongst the rich. You could tax the top 5% at 100% and still not cover the deficit, especially after SS surplus goes away in a year or two. Although one interesting thing is that most of the 50% (around 40%) of those who don't owe taxes actually have a negative tax rate because of the money the get back in things like earned imcome credit, etc.

But neither is the current system where the top 1% pay twice the %age of income taxes as they have %age of income (34,3% of taxes versus 16.8% of income. I find it hard to suggest that rich aren't paying their share when they pay 34% of taxes and 40% of the worst off actually have a NEGATIVE tax rate because the credits are more than their taxes.

Yep. Although I can guarantee that won't happen, especially state and local taxes since the CongressCritters from New York and other high-tax states would pitch a major bitch, as would the builders and mortgage types. BTW: Those in the top brackets already are finding out about that since deductions for taxes and charitable contributions already fade out above a certain income.

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Kurt Ullman

Those contracts only last a year, always have in school systems. Everything is (theoretically) up for change every year.

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Kurt Ullman

I do not think those words mean what he thinks they mean.

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HeyBub

What's a hoot is his second wife complaining that he did to her what he did with his first wife with her.

This is kind of a take-off on the advice given to young men: "Laddie, if your lady says bad things about her former husband or previous beau, someday she'll be saying the same things about you."

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HeyBub

Public prayer is efficacious. Jesus said "When two or more gather in my name, I am with them." If two people can't pray together in a public school, they might as well be praying to the closet. Judaism requires ten or more in prayer to represent the community. I'm sure Islam has a similar requirement. By prohibiting public prayer, in my view, the government school is impermissably interfering with the free exercise of religion.

I think women can make choices about their bodies! But choices have consequences; if a woman CHOOSES to have unprotected sex, she shouldn't be surprised when she gets pregnant.

But, the government, in its infinite wisdom, asserts the power to protect us from our wrong choices.

Don't get me wrong. While there are many logical and heart-felt feelings about abortion on both sides of the issue, I have come down in favor of abortion on demand. There are two reasons I decided the way I did.

  • I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm not pregnant nor will I ever be.
  • Abortions cut down on the number of liberals amongst us. The progressives, in promoting abortion, are doing the equivalent of eating the seed corn. Look up "The Row Effect" for more information.
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HeyBub

Light bulbs and the government mandating thereof is a frequent topic on this newsgroup. Several posters here have said things far more hurtful about the government and light bulbs than did the governor of Indiana.

Or haven't you been keeping up?

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HeyBub

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:ufKdnVo8K5NWwL3SnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:

I agree that taxes won't solve the deficit problem by themselves, although they will have a major impact. "Loopholes" need to be closed and inefficient government rooted out. DAMHIKT - I retired rather than filling out those ridiculous forms (modified?) again and again, taking those stupid tests and verifying that I know stuff.

If one's income is so low, it is totally eaten up by housing, food and other necessities (defined narrowly), why would you have to pay taxes too? Even the flat taxers would institute a no tax zone, so to speak. In order to protect their condition, the rich do have to pay a greater share.

Well, I consider myself relatively well-off, but I'm far from that point. And I have fairly little mortgage interest to pay.

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Han

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:ufKdnVU8K5Mrw73SnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:

A majority of NJ teacher contracts are for 3 years. So, your statement of "always" is, literally speaking, incorrect. In addition, the example of my local school district is not unique. Their contract expired in

2010, and a new one was tentatively approved late in 2011. Sometimes it takes longer, sometimes not. But that is a bit besides the point. Once you embark on a career, it isn't always easy to switch. Example: It is much easier to change careers if you get eased out and get left with a handshake of an extra 6 month salary after having earned over 200K/yr. When you're down to less than 50K/yr, and there is no handshake, it's not so easy.
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Han

"HeyBub" wrote in news:HOydnSSDW58Z_L3SnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:

Actually, what the guy does in bed or with his squeezes doesn't concern me so much, although there is a reflection on character and honesty. What concerns me much more is how he gets his millions, which I think is by influence peddling ("pimping") and outright lies. That he gets it, is a reflection on DC prostitution.

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Han

"HeyBub" wrote in news:-9KdnTZByKEw9L3SnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:

I don't think that Jesus really meant that you had to Teebow everywhere. There are religious private schools if you want that. Go there. In public school, I believe that good manners should be encouraged, but not any particular religion, nor some plain vanilla averaged out religion. But then I am agnostic, near atheist. Which doesn't mean I won't respect religion. But it is not to be an organized public spectacle.

Sometimes what happens leaves little room for choice. Which is regrettable.

No, the government affords us protection from those who intend to impose their views on others. Is different.

I'm with you, but my reasoning is different. If we avoid poor illiterate children, we promote independent thinking. Those porr illiterate children are too easily influenced by rabble rousers, be they religious, conservative or liberal ...

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Han

Which isn;t what I said. This wasn't a suggestion that the poor pay more taxes, just that it hard to suggest that the rich aren't already approaching it, especially given that the really poor are not only paying taxes, but are making a profit off it.

When I was still kinda sorta near the top 5% anyway, there was a couple of years where I paid an additional 5K in taxes solely and utterly because of phase outs.

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Kurt Ullman

The INDIVIDUAL contracts are from year to year. The general contract about salaries, etc, that is negotiated with the union may or may not last 3 years depending on awhole bunch of things. That is why over the last few years the school systems always announce layoffs really early and then hire them back depending on who quits or retires.

Sometimes it

But other than CongressCritter and possibly some legislatures, what other career doesn't entail the same concerns?

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Kurt Ullman

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