On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:07:19 -0400, "RBM" <rbm2(remove
I was going to say the same thing, but you have a lot more experience
Still, mice and maybe other rodents are very smart. When too many
mice got killed on my second floor, they stopped coming up here. They
routinely change the places they go to avoid dangers. The Tom and
Jerry cartoons probably aren't far off. Of course they use lab-size
rats in mazes and time them, and watch them get better each time they
run the maze. I guess they can change the maze and the rat is still
faster for having trained in the other maze. Aren't beavers and
groundhogs rodents. They live in society and share responsibilities.
One does't think of moles as being smart, but maybe they are too.
I was amazed however when a guy in the old fraternity house we lived
in threw a shoe or boot at a mouse, hit it, and killed it. I didn't
think they were killed that easily. Then he took it to the cat, which
may have been sleeping. The cat gradually opened its eyes, looked for
a second or two at the mouse, and then zip, quickly used its paw to
scoop it into his mouth. Only the tail was out of his mouth.
You probably have yellow jackets rather than bees. These critters all
die over the winter, except for a queen that has probably flown on to a
new spot. Poisoning the nest now won't do much good.
http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2510.htm has a nice article.
Just build a nice hot fire on top of the nest. Get some paper and
wood and let her burn. Ashes will add useful nutrients to your soil,
and no chemicals will be used. If you live in the city where fires
are not allowed, build a nice hot fire in your charcoal grill and dump
the hot coals in garden.
Sevin dust is both the safest and also particularly toxic to bees. It
breaks down fairly quickly, especially if it rains, so you have to reapply
every several months.
Ignore the idiots who say it isn't safe. It is. Every farmer uses Sevin
and it is used on just about every crop. Very extensively studied and shown
to be 100% harmless to humans and other mammals. In fact, it's also
recommended for outdoor animals to control fleas and ticks, by rubbing it
into their coat. Google for "Sevin safety" or something like that and
you'll see all the research.
However, are you sure you can't just leave them alone? Are they really
harming anything? Depending on what you actually have, they may be harmless
if they are not aggressive. Bees are very beneficial to the environment and
should be left alone if they aren't causing a problem.
It's less dangerous than paint. I read once where someone painted an
elephant (!). It died. If you drink paint, you will suffer. In laboratory
experiments, rats who were force-fed five gallons of Martha Stewart Latex
developed distended stomachs and became lethargic.
Use according to directions and you'll be golden. (or you could accomplish
the same thing by painting yourself orange).
Not really. You're a victim of scare mongering. Sevin is less toxic than
Cherrios in 7-Up.
From Pesticide Information Office Extension Services of Cornell, Michigan
State, Oregon State, and UC Davis, funding via USDA.
"No reproductive or fetal effects were observed during a long-term study of
rats which were fed high doses of carbaryl [Sevin]. The evidence for
teratogenic effects due to chronic exposure are minimal in test amimals.
Birth defects in rabbit and guinea pig offspring occurred only at dosage
levels which were highly toxic to the mother. A 1980 New Jersey
epidemiological study found no evidence of excess birth defects in a town
sprayed with carbaryl for gypsy moth control. There is only limited evidence
that carbaryl causes birth defects in humans. The EPA has concluded that
carbaryl does not pose a teratogenic risk to humans if used properly "
If your critters are yellow jackets, they can be very dangerous. Only
stinging insects that pursue victim. In Florida, they tend to have
larger colonies and can swarm in reaction to just the vibration of
someone walking nearby or operating mower. Victims can get massive
numbers of stings.
Malathion is one chemical used on them. Haven't read the data recently,
so don't recall the toxicity stuff but they sprayed it from airplanes
over populated areas of Florida when citrus pests were a threat. That
implies it is relatively safe :o)
Whatever you do, if applying dust to the nest after dark, be careful not
to disturb them. No light, or flashligh with red lens. If I was going
to dig them up, it would not be after the first frost. Water with
detergent is good for drowning all sorts of bugs, but I haven't taken on
any yellow-jacket colonies. Their nest construction is pretty cool ..
engineered to make it tough to get them, so dust that they contact and
carry down to nestmates works best.
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