Battery Derangement

$100 buys less than two tanks of gas nowadays[*]. Without knowing how many miles that 'old guy' drives a month, you have no way of knowing whether he's paying more or less. Note that maintenance costs for an electric vehicle, over the life of the vehicle, are signficantly less.

[*] Geographically dependent, of course.
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Scott Lurndal
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Maybe not if there was tiered billing, no car subsidy and that put him up into the premium tier where the rates jump.

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gfretwell

I wonder where they get that statistic. New cars have very little scheduled maintenance on the engines and all the other parts like brakes and tires will be the same.

I agree with the subsidies electric cars are great for people rich enough to buy one but it is on the back of that single mom in her 10 year old Chevy. She still pays road tax and subsidizes that car on her electric bill in states that reward electric car drivers. This is the hypocrisy of the left in action.

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gfretwell

Where I live in FL is buys 42 gallons. These days I burn about 20 gallons a month.

Reply to
Ed Pawlowski

Do you drive a tank? My fillups are around 8 gallons and $20. Have you factored in a new battery pack? My maintenance costs going on 80,000 miles have been 3.8 quarts of oil and a filter every 5,000.

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rbowman

You must be a maintenance fanatic. I hate to even say how little I have done to my 22 year old Honda.

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gfretwell

On 10/17/2019 9:47 PM, rbowman wrote: ...

What happens to that other 0.2 qt?

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Reply to
dpb

16 gallons (24mpg) at $3.00/gal (car) $48.00 18 gallons (22mpg) at $3.00/gal (pickup) $54.00
8 year warranty on the Tesla packs.
Reply to
Scott Lurndal

They eventually add up to .8 qt... It doesn't even work well in metric where it would be about 3.5 liters. The two Suzuki bikes also take a odd amount of oil in either quarts or liters.

When I had an elderly Metro there wasn't a problem using up dribs and drabs of oil.

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rbowman

I wonder what the resale value is on a 9 year old Tesla.

Reply to
Ed Pawlowski

"Batteries not included..." :)

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dpb

If Tesla stays in business that long.

8 years is nothing when it comes to a car's service life. The average age of the US fleet is 11 years. A 10-year-old Toyota still has a lot of value and can deliver reliable service for years to come. Quite a few people are driving cars 20+ years old that have not required major repairs. A well-designed gasoline powered car will run for decades.

Keep the DemocRATs out of power and perhaps we can get rid of the carbon credit scam. Tesla is a vampire company dependent on sinking its fangs into others via that scam for its continued existence. If Tesla's victims are removed from its grasp it will most likely perish in short order.

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Roger Blake

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So I would be coming up on my 3d battery pack on my Honda.

Reply to
gfretwell

I have the same problem with my Yamaha F-70 (outboard). It takes 2.5 qt oil. After I fill the Plewes Oiler in the shop and top up the cars I still usually have some left over. It works as bar oil for the chain saw tho. Probably not as environmentally sound as the Canola oil DEP says we should be using.

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gfretwell

Apparently a Tesla 3 has a 50kwh battery and a range of 220 miles. That would work out to about $7 at .13 kwh electric rate. So for $100 you should be able to go about 3500 miles so that fellow must be doing a lot of driving. Gas, at 25 MPG, $100, 40 gallons of gas, you would only go 1000 miles. Which is consistent with stickers I've seen on electric cars, ie the MPG equivalent is about 3X or so.

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trader_4
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I remember a $79 fill-up once, when the price of gas was at its highest here ($4/gal in east Texas). Its about $2.20/gal now.

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Mark Lloyd
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About the same here in east Texas, although I do get a discount from buying stuff (mostly gift cards for things I want anyway).

Reply to
Mark Lloyd

Ours here in DE is about $2.33. Current reading on my Subaru Crosstrek is 33 mpg. That is all around driving. I recall back in 1966 my new Chevrolet Malibu getting 16 mpg in all highway driving. So I'm doing twice as good now and also doing it with all wheel drive.

Might also mention on battery replacement that the Prius at the time, maybe 10+ years ago, had an estimate of $7,000. Think they have a

100,000 mile 10 year warranty now but no way would a 10 year old Prius be worth $7,000.

Another comment I might make is that while a Prius is quiet on the road, the time I rode in one, it was very noisy. I figure down weighting to get good mileage results in high road noise. Maybe a $90,000 Tesla is quite.

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I agree the $100 is a stretch but if you have tiered billing that extra 800kw might get billed at a much higher rate if they don't give you a subsidy for your car. I also question the 220 miles if this guy is a lead foot and likes that lightning fast acceleration you get with a Tesla. I also bet that claimed 220 miles isn't on the interstate doing 80. It is best case, egg between your foot and the accelerator, Mobil gas economy run driving, on roads with moderate speed limits. The thing that is true with electrics is you can go fast or you can go far but you can't do both. I really looked at throwing a conversion kit into my Honda but I could never get the economics to work out and that is not buying a new Tesla. It was just throwing five or six grand at a car I already had. (plus my own labor)

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gfretwell

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