On Friday, November 28, 2014 10:00:58 AM UTC-8, HerHusband wrote:
My backup consists of the ubiquitous 5 gal buckets. Power goes off I fill
as many as I can right away and we go on 'conserve water' mode, no flushing
the toilet every time, no clothes washing, etc. When the buckets get down
near empty it is off to a neighbor or town to refill.
Not clear why this has to be the case?
AT 45 PSI, you should be able to keep the tank 2/3 full of water.
If that's not possible, you've got a flow rate problem and need more
storage. Will take more energy to pump against higher pressure, but how
For big water storage, you can pressure it when needed with CO2.
When there's no emergency, you won't want the CO2 tank going to waste.
I suggest a fridge with a keg in it as a resting place.
When the power goes out, just drink beer until it comes back on.
My favorite solution to a power outage is the well-deserved nap.
I wonder, can a hand pump be fitted to a well along with the electric
pump? I have no idea but I well remember a hand pump on our back entry,
used to pump soft rain water from a cistern (city water was very hard).
On Saturday, November 29, 2014 4:34:31 AM UTC-8, trader_4 wrote:
That is if you are using a suction type pump. There are lots of pumps that
have the working part down in the water worked by what is known as "suctio
n rods". Those are what were used by windmills back in the pre-electric po
wer days. IIANM there are hand pumps working the same way. Now the 'stati
c level' of the well comes into play as one wouldn't want to try to manuall
y pump a 100'
column of water.
if you don't need that many gallons per day you can
use a much smaller pump run off battery backup. i'm
pretty sure they have them available.
in terms of simple and least expensive when the power
goes out here i have a few gallon jugs in the closet
for flushing when needed. only used them a few times.
the last time the power went out i filled up some
buckets from the faucet while the water had pressure
and we used that water instead -- i never needed to get
the gallon jugs out.
our water table is really high (2-3ft most of the
year) so i could get by with a hand pump for almost
everything except drinking/cooking water. i don't
know how high the well water gets under natural
pressure but i think it is down several hundred feet.
shallow wells get salty and/or coal seam flavored water.
What is the purpose of filling the buckets instead of letting the toilets
and faucets get it directly from the supply plumbing? Either way you've got
the same amount of water. Maybe I'm missing something.
On Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:14:04 PM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
The only purpose I can see to filling buckets after the power goes off
is if you're concerned that there are some dummies in the house that are
going to use up the water and then you won't have any when you need to
That was my idea with the attic mounted tanks. In normal use water would
come in at the top and drain out at the bottom. When the power goes out,
gravity would allow the water in the tank to drain down. It would be low
pressure, but still usable for flushing toilets and filling pans. Since the
tank is always being drained and refilled during normal operation (like a
hot water tank) the water shouldn't get stagnant.
The big downside to that option is having to get tanks up into the attic
and reworking the house plumbing.
In theory, I could relocate the storage tank out to the pumphouse, still
placing it inline with the normal water flow. I would only have pressure
till the normal pressure tank ran out, then it would just rely on gravity
feed. Our pump house doesn't sit that much higher than the house, so the
gravity pressure would be very minimal.
Essentially, it would be like the water tower in many towns, just without
the height to give it pressure.
I have two trash cans, lined with a couple of 39 gal. plastic leaf bags.
I don't know how big the trash cans are - knee high and about as wide.
I'd guess 30 gal. I top these off every month or so if not used. When
needed I just dip in a pail and pour in the toilet bowl. No need to use
Works for me for our few outages.
For drinking and cooking I have a separate water supply.
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
when something closes the door from the inside.
I can see that being an issue for a tank that only has an inlet.
However, with an inlet and an outlet, the water/air in the tank should exit
the tank as new water is coming in from the top. For example hot water
heaters don't have air vents and they fill and drain just fine. Or the way
air is pushed out of a garden hose when you first hook it up.
Essentially, the water tank just becomes a fat section of pipe in the water
line. :) Not too different in concept from adapting a 1/2" pipe up to 1"
pipe, then back down to 1/2" again. The 1" section is the "tank".
In any case, I'm leaning towards 5 gallon water jugs I can just store in
the pump house. We typically only have one or two outages a year, and the
only thing we really need additional water for is flushing toilets. I just
can't justify the expense, complications, and maintenance of generators,
inverters, or large storage tanks. They would be only be needed for longer
outages when the existing pressure tank runs out.
On Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:54:09 AM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
Water will exit, air, not so much.
For example hot water
They fill from the bottom and water exits from the top.
Or the way
That works because the velocity of the water through the pipe is high.
If the 80 gallon tank was a hose, it would probably work there too.
But it's not. It't a large vessel and air rises to the top, water
stays on the bottom.
Unfortunately, same here...
My dad died from smoking related cancers at 51 (same age I am now).
My uncle died from lung cancer in his 30's.
Step mom died from smoking related cancers in her 60's.
My father-in-law just died from emphysema two years ago at 73 (the last 10+
years were very rough for him).
Brother-in-law also died from emphysema at age 61.
It amazes me people still take up smoking.
When my wife moved in here, I knew better than to give her the "smoking"
lecture....but she knew in advance that she would have to smoke out-doors.
As it turned out, those -20F Wisconsin winters are a good thing.
One one of those days I heard the back door slam and she yelled
"Fuck this shit, I'm quitting"
and she did!
It's a horrible addiction, they say it's harder to quit smoking than it
is to quit heroine.
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