Dumb question but if one wanted to buy some raw
land...and build a small cabin (very small) to use as a
camp of sorts.... does one need any kind of permit for
that especially if the cabin will have no plumbing and
no electricity and no heating cooling source?
Not dumb at all. It would depend on the location
In my town, you need 2 acres to build anything. A permit is required at 200
square feet, even if it is a storage shed. I'm sure it would vary in other
locations due to zoning laws.
You may get away building a shed, but could run into problems if you tried
to inhabit it as it would not meet codes for a house.
A friend of mine built a house a few years ago. Of course he had to get a
CO before moving in, but he needed space to put his belongings as his old
house was old and they were living with his parents He was allowed to move
in boxes of stuff, some furniture, but not beds or anything that would be
deemed as having someone live there.
Like was said before, it depends on where you are. There are
parts of america that still think this is a free country, and you
can build anything you damn well want, as long as you stay
away from wetlands. And there are other parts of the country
where you're not allowed to replace an outlet or park an RV.
This gets back to my idea. Get the damned government out of the "owner/builder"
permit business altogether. Let the insurance company administer it with
They already do this with building loan "draw" inspections so the
infrastructure is in place now.
You don't get "fined" for permitted code violations, you just get a failure
card that has to be cleared before you get a certificate of compliance.
If the insurance company was involved you would fix the violation before youir
insurance would kick in. Folks say that is true now, where is the change?
If that is the standard, who am I to dissagree?
Who are YOU?
It still gets back to who is hurt and who is liable?
I am talking about OWNER BUILDER, not homes for sale or work for hire.
The government has made the permit process so complicated and expensive that
MOST people will avoid it if they can, hence this thread.
There should be a simpler way for a homeowner to get a real inspection of their
work, perhaps even some guidance. You sure don't get either from most building
departments. You never will when they are doing an inspection every 12 minutes,
including travel time.
The trouble is, the government can do "inspections" at a reasonable rate,
because they're not liable for missing anything. If you privatise inspection
and do *certification*, as a private individual, you're going to need substantial
insurance coverage, highly trained inspectors, and a lot more time per house.
Paying for that is almost certain to exceed the savings for doing it yourself,
anyway. I don't believe there's any way to provide the kind of support
you're envisioning to homeowners without creating some kind of immunity to
This would basically be a "cabin" back in the woods. No
lights, running water.
Just a wooden shelter only. Heck it might even be a
small wooden shed or Tuff Shed like you'd buy from Home
Depot. Big enough to sleep in and keep some gear
A place to "live: for a 4 week hunting trip
Does that info help?
Permits have two functions. The first is to notify the local
authorities that you are performing the work so they can verify that
the work meets standards adopted by the jurisdiction you're in. The
second is so that authorities can verify that what you intend to do is
allowed within the jurisdiction.
For example, expanding a bathroom may require that you meet certain
plumbing and electrical codes. In addition, your jurisdiction may
have restirctions on what you can do in your bathroom remodel. For
instance, if you move a window it may hve to be a certain size or
style in your area.
The drawback of not obtaining a permit is the possibility your local
authority will find out, in which case there are penalties and
remedies you can be required to pay or meet.
A third factor permitting in some cases is the noyification to local
taxing authorities of a potential increae in the taxable value of your
property due to the renovation.
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