Americans come from all over the US to loot Okla. after tornadoes

[Lou Tere]

So this is your country of brotherly love, eh?

This is your true nature. This is the real face of america and americans.

Thieving from each other, especially in times of natural disaster, urban mining, even killing for no reason. That is - when you're not spying on each other.

By the way, how are your guns protecting your electronic privacy?

Your privacy is being stolen from you by your gov't, and your guns and your right to bear arms are doing exactly nothing to enforce those rights.

George Bush gave you a lasting legacy, didn't he?

So shut up, bend over, and be a nice little Patriot. Uncle Sam wants to know you better.

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Jun 8, 7:08 PM EDT

Looters have come from afar to Okla. after tornado

MOORE, Okla. (AP) -- Authorities say looters have come from as far away as New York and Virginia to steal from victims of last month's tornado in Moore, Okla.

The Oklahoman reports (see link below) that police arrested one man from Elmhurst, N.Y., and two from Virginia on misdemeanor complaints of stealing copper wire, scrap metal and other items from homes destroyed by the May 20 tornado. Twenty-four people were killed.

Several Moore residents were also arrested on similar misdemeanor complaints.

Residents have filed theft reports for such items as a $50,000 watch, a $13,000 watch, a $2,000 fountain pen and a $1,300 hunting camera.

[Doug]

Of course they don't loot in any other country, LOL ...

[CRNG]

On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:34:35 -0400, Lou Tere wrote in Re Americans come from all over the US to loot Okla. after tornadoes:

Well yes, of course from New York. What else would you expect?

[Dean Hoffman]

C'mon now. Isn't calling these people looters a bit harsh? They are merely unlicensed recyclers volunteering to help clean up the mess.

[harry]

They don't even wait for a disaster before they start looting in the UK. Mostly blacks. We have too many immigrants here.

[ChairMan]

Dean Hoffman"

[Wes Groleau]

And Americans come from all over the US to rebuild Okla. after tornadoes

In other words, we are exactly like every other country--populated by devils, angels, and everything in between.

[nestork]

Isn't it ironic.

US Border guards stop a semitrailer loaded with food, blankets, diapers and water from going to Moore, Oklahoma to give those much needed things away free to the people there.

But no one is stopping looters from going to Moore, Oklahoma to steal from the people there.

Somehow that seems bass-ackwards to me.

[Attila Iskander]

Somehow you missed that the police were there to stop them Not to mention that your argument raises the question how do you identify someone who is going there to be a looter ?

[Doug]

I didn't read the report so based on what you said only, I'd have to agree with you but if the items were just thrown around and not well pkgd or organized, perhaps they thought it was a cover up to use the truck for looting???

[nestork]

No, what I think was the real issue was is that our border crossings are set up to handle international shipments, not international donations, and no one on your side of the border really knew what to do with that truck. There's hundreds of trucks cross into Canada and the USA every day at the Windsor/Detroit border, and one truck shows up without any paperwork and says it's delivering disaster relief. They just didn't know quite how to handle that situation and were concerned that it could be a "trick" of some sort.

I just didn't want to see all that food go to waste, and I couldn't see why they couldn't just check random packages on the truck to make sure it was hauling what they said and not any drugs, guns, illegal aliens or whatever. I'm sure the church group in Windsor that put that shipment together would have been fine with some US army truck drivers or any trucking company in Detroit using it's drivers to haul that trailer down to Oklahoma. As long as they got the tractor and empty trailer back in one piece. With your guys in complete control of that truck and it's cargo, no one on this side of the border is going to be able to pull off anything shady involving that truck or it's cargo cuz they wouldn't have any control over what gets given to whom. If the Church group donating the stuff is fine with that, it's safe to assume there's nothing illegal going on.

Whatever, if the trailer isn't in Oklahoma by now then the food is probably already spoiled. But, there really should be some way of getting food and disaster relief across the border quickly and efficiently because people can't go long without clean water to drink, and life can be really miserable without food to eat, warm blankets and Lord knows, diapers.

[nestork]

No, you're right, they probably didn't, and they should have. I'm sure there would have been plenty of Canadian customs brokers willing to fill out the necessary forms free of charge, but all that should have been done before the truck even left Windsor. Doing that while the truck is sitting at the border is just lousy planning and terrible management.

Speaking of that pipeline, that's another thing. Everyone except the environmentalists agree that it's a no-brainer, and even the environmentalists agree that a pipeline is safer then shipping that oil by sea.

Canada has enough oil to last us over 400 years so we can sell lots of it cuz in 400 years there will be different technologies to drive our cars. Canada has as much oil as Saudi Arabia, but is all mixed with sand, and it's only within the past 20 years that they've found efficient ways to process it, and that technology is evolving rapidly.

We've got lots of oil and you guys are buying oil from Venezuela and Saudi Arabia and even Nigeria now. Shipping Canadian oil to be refined in the USA and distributed as everything from asphalt to aviation fuel will:

1. help both of our economies,
2. lessen US independance on oil from politically unstable and unfriendly regions,

1. reduce the potential for a much greater environmental disaster if that oil has to be transported over water by boat, and

2. create tens of thousands of jobs during the construction and lots of long term high paying jobs on both sides of the border.

..and your President has knowledgeable advisors that are telling him as much.

We need to go ahead and build that pipe line to grow both of our economies.

[The Real Bev]

But we're supposed to be better than that. Maybe we once really were.

[The Real Bev]

Not UNLICENSED, you insensitive clod. DIFFERENTLY licensed.

[Home Guy]

Right now, and for the past X months, Marathon oil company in Detroit has been refining Alberta Tar Sands oil that it gets via existing pipelines. The byproduct of that refining - a mountain of "pet-coke", is sitting on a vacant lot right beside the Detroit river on the US side, down-river some distance from the Ambassador Bridge.

There appears to be no plans as to what will become of this looming pile of shit, it's an environmental distaster happening in slow motion as rain water runoff carries it into the river.

I've read estimates that up to 30% of a barrel of tar-sands crude is actually this pet-coke shit.

Extracting oil from the Alberta Tar sands is actually one big massive environmental cleanup when you think about it. If this low-quality crude was left somewhere in a shallow pit by a previous industrial process or company, then what you'd do with it now to remediate the land and detoxify it is pretty much the same thing that is going on in the tar sands.

but it is low quality, high sulphur shit.

The most efficient way to deal with it is to process it on-site, and use steam generated by small nuclear reactors to do it, instead of burning massive amounts of natural gas.

You want to know the real reason why the XL pipeline wasn't approved by the US gov't?

The real reason -> because Canada is probably not going to play along with being a partner in the multi-billion-dollar Lockheed Martin F-35 fiasco.

We've realized that the F-35 is a money-sucking excuse for a fighter jet, and we've pulled our plans to buy some of these planes at ridiculous prices as the entire project cost over-runs goes into orbit.

The US doesn't like it when Canada doesn't buy it's "fair share" of military hardware from US vendors, and retaliation like the XL pipeline veto is one of the consequences.

[nestork]

Yeah, I was watching a CBC documentary on what's happening with that fighter, and it's production schedule just keeps getting postponed and the estimated price on each one keeps going up.

Canada's role in the UN has traditionally been as peace keepers, and for that we need big heavy slow cargo airplanes to get our troops and equipment to the 4 corners of the Earth, not supersonic stealth fighters.

And, the kinds of war we're engaged in has changed. What good does a supersonic stealth fighter do if your enemy is fighting a guerilla war by planting IEDs in the roads and stealing hostages.

I think the NEXT generation of fighter isn't going to be supersonic OR stealth. It's going to be an unmanned drone because those can be used for war, search and rescue and border security and lots of different uses like that. Maybe we should be buying unmanned drones instead.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Canned good and dry goods are probably OK for another 2 to 5 years.

There is. It is called proper paperwork. Custom declarations are easy enough to fill out. Thee were some well intentioned people that just lacked the knowledge of international shipments. I'd lay some of the blame on the driver too, if he has ever crossed the border. Drivers don't leave until they have paperwork in hand and in commercial instances, faxed to the border ahead of time.

[Home Guy]

What sort of paperwork would a group of charity workers in France need to fill out if they wanted to send some relief supplies to Germany?

(in other words, why exactly do we still have a border between US/Canada that is more similar to that between north and south Korea?)

[nestork]

No, that's a complete exageration, Home Guy. The US/Canada border is just like any other border between two friendly countries.

The North/South Korea border is a demilitarized strip of land where both sides quite literally stare at each other 24/7. Those two countries are still officially in a state of war with each other.

[pongespob]

As far as the scrap material from the structures that were trashed, what else was going to be done with them? I assume *someone* was eventually going to collect it and profit from it. So you're only happy if some state-sanctioned vultures get their hands on it?