weasel when you get legal. Buy commercial tags, pay taxes, get a license, get some HVAC training and can actually fix something without throwing a box of parts at it.
Then maybe you can flap your gums here with some shred of credibility.
Until then goober, don't even try to pass your hack ass off as a legit contractor.
"Bill"> wrote
Licensure in no way insures competency.
But hey. You get
Actually, if you hire someone that has paid ransom to the state (you call it licensure) you are getting a little less.
How ya figure that? You think that the unlicence hack will do a better job cause if he DOES get caught he did it right? Or that he does not WANT it to screw up so you call the state and complain?
Licenced companies that screw up pay a bigger fine (we should know better) and face jail time. Gee..I wonder who is gonna do the better job..the hack that will be hard to find, or the established company? Its a potshot for sure, but you DO have recourse with a licened and insured company, you have zip with a hack.
True but it does provide for accountability.
I disagree. It shows certain standards were met and a demonstrated level of knowledge.
What about RSES certifications and NATE?
Well, you can start by reading the messages in this group from people that have been ripped by licensed companies. By having to pay the state ransoms, licenses, mandated insurance, workmans comp., etc., etc. the licensed company must charge more than the unlicensed for a comparable service. This is Basic Accounting 101 which you seem to be ignorant of.
I believe good people will do good work, and licensure does not insure good work.
OK, you've admitted that licensed companies srew up. So what is your argument with me?
Neither one is immune to doing a bad job, and you know it.
Are you being deliberatly obtuse or what? If you are damaged and can prove it you have recourse for restitution in the courts or arbitration regardless of who did the damage. The small time unlicensed guy that is simply trying to put bread in his mouth may not be able to afford the cost of lawyers, like the large corporation, can and may be more likely to do a good job. You have not made a case for licensure. And before you get your knickers in a complete emotional twist, I have held
3 state licenses since 1986. In no way would I refuse to accept good work from someone simply because they didn't pay state ransom, and people would should be professionally examined.
No more so than any court or arbitration proceedings. They say you can sue a ham sandwich in the courts these days.
Isn't it possible for someone to have the education and the experience yet NOT have a license? Yes it is because, though I have held 3 licenses for almost 20 years prior to that I was unlicensed for 4 years. Licensure didn't change the quality of my work, but it did effect my bottom line. In all things the rule is *caveat emptor*, buyer beware, regardless of license or not.
Are you actually arguing licensing is a bad thing?
Umm...basic licence fees here are $150 a year..so..you are telling me that I have to charge 150 bux more over 365 days...ok... Basic Accounting 101....customer pays for all, but when the customer is already paying less than the other rapist in town, with us..guess what bucky? No one notices..its called cost of doing business. And BTW..around here, its the hacks that are charging out the ass. Its one reason out of many that if you get caught, its a felonly.
Ohh....86? Wow..those that know me know what I was doing in 86....and trust me...it required several licences. You support hacks...we dont..deal with it
Un-f****ng-believable. Can you NOT read Bill? Maybe I didn't type slowly enough for you.
"CBHVAC"> wrote
Are you always so emotional?
You're terrified of losing business to more credible persons, thus your embarrassing emotional displays. Deal with THAT.
You keep haranguing licensing. So are you arguing it's a bad thing or just that you are above being licensed and decry the extortion?
So to re-word and repeat what you couldn't comprehend. You'd rather there was no licensing. So anybody can do HVAC/R contracting?
If you're stuck on whether someone can be knowledgeable in the trade and unlicensed, I mistakenly assumed that was a rhetorical question, since only a retard would have disagreed. Apparently you wanted an answer to either comfort you or you needed something to say to couch your tirade against licensing in. So why were you licensed for "almost 20 years prior" if you are so against licensing?
Either way. Licensing is there to protect the consumer and provide proof of a minimum competency.
You still haven't answered what you were licensed in. Auto?, Fishing?, Plumbing?, Barber?, Dental? Accounting?, Insurance? HVAC?, Law?, Daycare? Real Estate? What?
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Here's a link to a St Petersburg Times article:
God...you fell for it too I see..
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im not worried about a thing..unlicenced folks are what we call job security. Please continue to support your local hack.
Amazing. And you say you're *licensed*, eh? Bill, you're the best thing that ever happened to unlicensed people.
"Mort Guffman"> wrote
Well that sort of blows a big hole in the claims by some around here that there is no recourse if one is ripped by an unlicensed person.
But the odds are higher that an unlicensed person is incompetent or cutting corners in other areas.
Or you may be paying a bit more., but it's not wasted money.
R
An insured company vs. an uninsured company are not comparable services.
Nevermind the Basic Accounting. Basic Common Sense should tell you to check that the contractor has both liability and disability insurance.
Exactly. Licensing is cheap. If a guy is skimping on that, what else is he skimping on? You figure even a small contractor, a one man operation, should be billing out $75K as a minimum (and likely much more than that), so licensing would add, at most, 1% to his cost of business. Spread out over the course of a year, the "bite" to each individual customer is negligible. Hardly a reason to avoid licensing.
R"RicodJour"> wrote
Licensed contractors don't skimp?
Nothing like a guess to solidify your argument.
Its really none of your business what other people waste their money on, is it?
Depends on the contractor. You honestly don't believe that someone who is breaking some of the rules isn't breaking others? If the guy is unlicensed where else is he going to cut corners? I certainly wouldn't want to find out on my house.
You still have to do your due diligence in investigating someone before you hire them - references, check with BBB and contractor licensing, etc. If they're not licensed I don't see any reason to go any further.
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