An insured company vs. an uninsured company are not comparable
Nevermind the Basic Accounting. Basic Common Sense should tell you to
check that the contractor has both liability and disability insurance.
Exactly. Licensing is cheap. If a guy is skimping on that, what else
is he skimping on? You figure even a small contractor, a one man
operation, should be billing out $75K as a minimum (and likely much
more than that), so licensing would add, at most, 1% to his cost of
business. Spread out over the course of a year, the "bite" to each
individual customer is negligible. Hardly a reason to avoid licensing.
Depends on the contractor. You honestly don't believe that someone who
is breaking some of the rules isn't breaking others? If the guy is
unlicensed where else is he going to cut corners? I certainly wouldn't
want to find out on my house.
You still have to do your due diligence in investigating someone before
you hire them - references, check with BBB and contractor licensing,
etc. If they're not licensed I don't see any reason to go any further.
One day you were unlicensed, uneducated and inexperienced.
Then you plopped your ransom on the counter and magically you were educated,
experienced and LICENSED!
Please Rico, you can do better than that, I know you can.
You've got the timeline wrong. I was educated, got experience working
for others, learned I needed to be licensed and insured to do business
and did just that.
I believe that licensing doesn't guaranty problem-free contracting, and
I also believe that unlicensed contractors are breaking the law,
cutting corners and a risk that most people don't need to take. My
question to you Don: You don't believe licensing is either necessary
nor moral, yet you're licensed, why?
Unjust laws are meant to be broken.
If there was a law against eating you'd break it.
Don't get me started on people that cut corners.
Don't forget, I built a home in recent memory and am more than knowledgeable
in what licensed contractors are capable of.
Quality control by licensed contractors and their earringed on-site
It ain't about me Rico.
Its about your silly assed assertion that people that haven't paid ransom to
the state are inompetent and prone to error MORE so than people that have
paid the ransom.
("The day before I paid ransom I was incapable, but the day I paid ransom I
instantly became capable!")
You, and all the other asserters in this thread have failed big time to show
why your licenses make you better than people that aren't.
What you folks have done though is demonstrate in a public forum your
questionable character and your extreme fear that persons better than you
will put you out of business. Whining like little girls.
This is specifically addressed to you, Rico, in response to your attempt
above to smear me because you are unable to intelligently prove your faulty
Lame analogy. If there's a lower speed limit going through a school
zone, and I know that all the kids are inside so there's no chance of
me creating a mini road pizza, I still slow down. Regulations that
don't have a majorly negative impact, but are just a little
inconvenient, are not the equivalent of forced starvation.
Please go back and search the newsgroup for our exchanges immediately
preceding and during the construction of your house. You might have
more respect for some of my opinions, even if they differ from yours,
from the improved vantage point of hindsight.
Interesting. Persons better than me... I don't look at it like that,
but let's work with it. The license doesn't make someone a better
contractor automatically - you're just playing word games with that.
But not having a license in an area that requires contractor licensing
does make someone worse. Someone may have the most awe inspiring grasp
of construction ever contained in one brain, but there's much more to
contracting than just knowledge of construction. It's a business. How
many skilled tradesmen do you think start up construction companies of
one sort or another, only to find out that the business end of the
business is eating them alive? They hate the paperwork, dealing with
customers, filing for permits, insurance, etc. You honestly believe
that person is a better contractor? I don't - I consider them a better
craftsman, maybe, but definitely not a better contractor.
Can it be conclusively proven that licensing improves the quality of
the available contractor pool? Maybe, maybe not - but there can be
little doubt that someone that is willing to ignore some regualtions
that are inconvenient for them are more likely to ignore other things
as well. Which areas of contracting do you feel are okay to ignore?
Licensing is not a panacea, but it is a starting point. Until the day
where there is an equivalent of an eBay-type feedback mechanism in
everything, how are people to determine the wheat from the chaff? I'm
not just talking just about contractors, but doctors, accountants, and
businesses of all types.
You're taking this way too personally, but that's up to you. There's
no attempt to smear, just calling you on a question. Which still
No more so than any court or arbitration proceedings.
They say you can sue a ham sandwich in the courts these days.
Isn't it possible for someone to have the education and the experience yet
NOT have a license?
Yes it is because, though I have held 3 licenses for almost 20 years prior
to that I was unlicensed for 4 years.
Licensure didn't change the quality of my work, but it did effect my bottom
In all things the rule is *caveat emptor*, buyer beware, regardless of
license or not.
You keep haranguing licensing. So are you arguing it's a bad thing or
just that you are above being licensed and decry the extortion?
So to re-word and repeat what you couldn't comprehend.
You'd rather there was no licensing. So anybody can do HVAC/R
If you're stuck on whether someone can be knowledgeable in the trade and
unlicensed, I mistakenly assumed that was a rhetorical question, since
only a retard would have disagreed.
Apparently you wanted an answer to either comfort you or you needed
something to say to couch your tirade against licensing in.
So why were you licensed for "almost 20 years prior" if you are so
Either way. Licensing is there to protect the consumer and provide proof
of a minimum competency.
You still haven't answered what you were licensed in. Auto?, Fishing?,
Plumbing?, Barber?, Dental? Accounting?, Insurance? HVAC?, Law?,
Daycare? Real Estate?
Paul\'s cat got a furball and kept saying weasel\'s name.
That's why they're called odds.
1. The ratio of the probability of an event's occurring to the
probability of its not occurring.
2. The likelihood of the occurrence of one thing rather than the
occurrence of another thing, as in a contest:
You consider it a waste because of your personal experiences with your
licensing. That's a reactionary viewpoint, albeit an understandable
one. You consider yourself an exception to most rules, so why wouldn't
you believe that you'd be the exception to the unlicensed? You
wouldn't get licensed if you could avoid it on general principle and
your antipathy to any form of government. Other people do it because
I don't consider it a waste because I don't like seeing people hurt -
even people I don't know. Do you?
It's kind of like panties. If all of a sudden the dresser drawer is
full of new sexy panties (and they're not yours ;) there just _might_
be something going on there. It's a warning sign. Unlicensed is a
warning sign for contractors. It might be nothing, but you'd be a fool
to not heed the warning.
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