CORGI engineer required to install new radiator?

[John Stumbles]

Presumably because he hadn't half a clue about fault-finding, which isn't part of either the training or prerequisites for ACS. However he should have been competent at testing that the boiler was effectively sealed and not leaking POCs into the room after he'd done the fan :-|

Prolly still hogging the middle lane. Saw on the gogglebox an age ago about someplace in India where the traffic makes Keystone Cops look like a sedate country spin, but the learner drivers' test course is a completely empty stretch of tarmac about 100 yards long with a slight wiggle partway along. This country's driving test is like that in that learners get a full licence without once having driven on a motorway.

And (to get rather circuitously back to the point (whatever it was :-))) you can get a full ACS and CORGI registration without having a clue about fault-finding problems unless they're directly related to combustion safety.

[John Stumbles]

Oh dear.

How did you check that the pipework was properly sized for your combi, and check the working gas pressure at the boiler?

How did you verify the integrity of your gas pipework?

What sort of soldering flux did you use on it and how did you apply it? And what did you do to each joint after you'd soldered it?

What did you do with the pipe where it passed through any solid walls?

How did you make non-soldered joints?

What cleanser did you use to flush the system with? And what inhibitor did you put it in after it was properly flushed?

What system controls did you end up with? How many TRVs did you have to add to radiators to bring it up to current Building Regs energy efficiency standards?

Where do you live? Just so I can keep clear ...

[ronny]

There is no on the job training for "current operatives", Obsolete controls are that, obsolete, and there is no work based work record, so where did you hear that??

[geoff]

Oi - that was me 20 years ago

We all have to start somewhere

UK-diy exists for those who want to DIY and need a bit of guidance

Not for fuckwits who are too stupid to remove a sticker from their car's rear window or (I haven't even looked at the thread) people who can't even sort out what trousers to wear to DIY

ISTR a lot of us have come a long way over the years, lets not forget where we started

... rant over

p.s. how scary

my 25 year endowment mortgage matures next year

where did the time go ?

[Denon]

You see here an aura of total arrogance born of ( I presume) certificate ownership. You have never met me John and you have absolutely no idea of my capabilities, what you base your derogitory comments on is the fact that YOU and a few others have a certificate stating that you are skilled in a particular proffession and you have bought a certificate to prove it. I believe it is down to you and others with your attitude that has set a divide between i.e. Gas Fitters and corgi reg Gas Fitters the latter is always mentioned with a strange smile or a roll of the eyes along with certified electricians and the like.

It really is simple John, if I need a certificate to state that a certain appliance is fitted properly etc....I can pick up the phone and get one....... for a tenner that is what your certification is worth to the normal everyday home-owner like me........a tenner, this is also how it used to work when I was a teenager and needed an MOT on my car, I knew it was safe but didn't have a peice of paper to prove it. I'm not saying that this certified stupidity isn't the law..... I know it is,...... is it really needed ? only in the eyes of the eu and our penny greedy government ( oh and the certificated ones) because they make money from it not because they are bothered someone may be hurt.

You can have a lot of fum with this one John but by the time you read it I will be on a plane for a short break in Georgia where you don't need such certificates and people do just fine...have fun

[Ed Sirett]

Any one new will have to have a documented work record, there will have to be some paper work involved. Although the assessment centres seem to require not all that much of it.

[ronny]

not true, our apprentices have been followed all through the college training...

[John Stumbles]

... is your saying you did in 6 hours a job which a skilled and experienced engineer doing the job properly & not cutting corners would have taken a lot longer to do

I've paid for a lot of training and assessments, and got a lot of experience through doing this sort of work for a living for several years. What have you got?

[Ed Sirett]

I too am irritated by the assertion that somehow the professionals spin out a job which a relatively inexperienced person can do in a few hours.

The 6 hours is probably the absolute minimum to get a functional system. There will be very many aspects of best practice left undone.

About the only thing that a diyer might not have to do is the paperwork. Making good might be expected from a pro (bricking up old flue holes has got to be part of 50% of all jobs).

Cleaning of the existing circuit, upgrading of the controls to comply with Part L. That alone is a solid days work on most systems.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

That - and making the new hole and making good - took me more than 6 hours. And I had plenty spare matching bricks. But you'd be hard pushed to see where the old terminal was now. Add in plumbing in the condensate drain plus piping up the pressure release circuit took pretty well all of a long day. I'd love to see a boiler change done it 6 hours by one person - unless it was simply fitting an new identical one. I'll bet it's a mess.