Deck posts set straight into concrete - is this going to rot on me?

Nov 09, 2026 Last reply: 9 hours ago 4 Replies
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Lisa_Sawdust

Dig them out and redo them. I built a small deck on clay soil about eight years back and left two posts embedded the same way, thinking ground-contact treated lumber was tough enough. Pulled one out last spring for unrelated reasons and the bottom foot of that post was soft…

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So I'm finishing up a small freestanding deck behind my house and I've got 6x6 posts sitting right down inside concrete piers, no brackets, nothing between the wood and the concrete. The holes don't come up all the way to grade either, so there's a little bowl around each post where water can pool before it drains off. The soil here is heavy clay so stuff stays wet for days after a rain.



My buddy keeps telling me this is how it's always done and I'm overthinking it. But everything I read online says the post shold sit up on a bracket above the footing so the end grain never touches wet concrete. Now I'm second guessing the whole thing.



Is it worth digging two of them back out and redoing them with proper brackets before I frame the deck? Or is the ground-contact treated lumber tough enough to sit in concrete for decades without turning to mush? I'd rather do the work now than tear into it in five years.


Dig them out and redo them. I built a small deck on clay soil about eight years back and left two posts embedded the same way, thinking ground-contact treated lumber was tough enough. Pulled one out last spring for unrelated reasons and the bottom foot of that post was soft enough to dent with a thumb. The other two that sat on brackets above the footing were still solid as the day I set them. That was all the convincing I needed. Here's what's working against you. The end grain of a post is basically a bundle of straws, and concrete sitting in wet clay never really dries. Water pools in that bowl you're describing, soaks through the concrete, and wicks straight up the end grain. Ground-contact treatment helps, but it's not designed for permanent saturation on all sides with no chance to dry out. That setup is exactly how fence posts rot, and fence posts are expendable. Your deck posts are holding up a structure you stand on. The fix isn't complicated. Pour the footing so it comes up a few inches above grade and slope the top so water runs off instead of pooling. Set an standoff bracket in the wet concrete or bolt one down after it cures. Those brackets hold the wood an inch or so above the concrete so the end grain never touches it, and air can move around the bottom of the post. Total cost for the hardware is small compared to the digging you're already about to do.

And yeah, the digging is the annoying part. But you're framing in days, not weeks. Once the beam and decking are on, pulling a post goes from a two-hour job with an auger to a demolition project. Doing it now is cheap insurance.

Your buddy isn't wrong that people have done it this way forever. Some of those decks are still standing. But plenty of others have posts that look like soggy cheese at the ground line, and clay soil is about the worst case for it. Redo the two holes, keep the other four if any of them were done right, and you'll never think about it again.

Same boat here a few years back, except I talked myself out of redoing mine. That deck is coming down next month because every post has rot starting at the base, even the ones I thougth drained okay. The clay holds moisture like a sponge and those little bowls never stood a chance. One thing I'll add since I've been pulling them out: check yours with a screwdriver before you decide wich four to keep. Mine looked fine from the outside and you could sink a blade into two of them with barely any pressure.

Back in the day we didn't have standoff brackets at the lumberyard, so the old framers I worked with would drop a couple inches of packed gravel or a flat stone in the hole and set the post down on that before the pour. Worked okay, but those footings never came above grade either, so the post still sat in wet dirt half its life. The ones that outlived everything else were where the concrete got domed up a few inches and sloped so rain shed off. Sounds like your holes need that dome no matter what you set the posts on. Clay around here cracks open in August and turns to pudding in November, nothing buried in it ever dries.

Update: I ended up pulling two of them and redoing them, and the old gravel-in-the-bottom-of-the-hole trick actually made a difference. Water isn't sitting against the post base anymore. What I still can't figure out is that shallow bowl around each footing, the clay grade just runs right back toward them. Has anyone mounded soil up around a pier like this and had it actually stay put through a winter?

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