Ducts haven't been designed yet but the usual spans only a couple of feet.
The span is only part of the problem. The rating is the other. Right now I'm
leaning to a shaftwall enclosure sitting on an HSS bridge spanning the stair
shaft. It's not the thinnest I can do but it's the fastest.
The fellow is correct. About 10 % posts are actually architecture. What I
do is just scan some of the posts a little and if they are not architectural
I close them out. Once in a while you might get a really good thread. He
didn't do attacks (plural) he did it once. I have read this newsgroup for
many years and seems to never change. Do a survey, ask how many posters are
Sorry Mr. Moderator.
He mentioned four different threads - three by regulars.
I prefer the title of Moderatus Unanimous, thank you very much.
How a particular newsgroup operates, and what the regulars choose to
discuss is pretty much up to them, isn't it? Your crossposting of an
existing thread to other newsgroups that have nothing to do with the
original group/post is troubling. You mentioned that if the post was
not architectural you closed it out. What prompted you to crosspost
this particular one? Are you looking to publicize something, maybe
garner support and "straighten" out a newsgroup you barely show up
on? Usenet is either a sandbox, soapbox, or free-for-all, depending
on how you look at it. If you want control, feel free to start your
own web site or blog.
I don't mean to be overly harsh, but I don't understand what it is
that you think you're trying to accomplish. I do know that - whatever
it is - you're unlikely to achieve a favorable outcome if your proceed
in this manner.
You probably know this but there are many newsgroups that actually discuss
and post items according to their name and intent. There is no other
newsgroup that claims to discuss architecture, that is really sad.
Discussing objects that pertain to a profession or projects they might be
working on, or, questions on why things happen within your profession seems
helpful to me.
You know you're free like the rest to post whatever you want, even if it is
on topic, right? How many threads have you *started* on topic?
Googling "chuck" "cid" and "architecture" doesn't show many if any started
threads.( I confess I didn't dig too deep. )
Your complaint reminds me of the approbations of the "serious" employees at
the most fun office I ever worked in (sic) 20 years ago. We used to carry on
like children when we weren't behaving like professionals. We're all
succeeded in the business, and most of us have our own firms. We still get
together despite kids and companies, because we *enjoy* ourselves. There's
always a good belly laugh.
You can screw around and be an architect at the same time, and I think you
need a sense of humor to get by in this business, as a "little guy" anyway.
Having heard most of it before, there are frankly few conversations, other
than political or technical ones, that could be construed as "architectural"
that I might find really interesting. They are out there, but most so much
of what passes for 'architectural discourse' is pure marketing that I can't
imagine wasting my time on it.
If you've got a burning topic, other than hummus, why not start a thread?
Ah, crap. The moderator has spoken. Now I've got to do the Hail To The
Hail to the Moderator. <bow><fawn><jump>
Hail hail and never no sleet. <spin><wave><crump>
Hail to the Moderator <bounce><bounce> [Sorry, I know you didn't
really want to see that.]
Whose justice is meet.<wiggle><wiggle><bounce><bounce><spin>
Now please, don't make him come forth again.
It was being considered whether hummus would make a decent substitute for
mortar or at the very least caulking
This one is obvious, as architecture has long been considered "frozen
If you want to understand architecture, you must start with something
simpler. The quality of your cooking says a lot about your design and
construction principles. Next time you consider a CM, ask him ot make you
That one is just spam, have you NEVER been in a newsgroup before???
Sorry that one is a bit off-topic, we like to stay on tpoic in this
newsgroup. You might find better answers over at
It's pretty busy in there though, your question might fall on deaf ears.
(that was supposed to be humorous, and this newsgroup is unmoderated, and we
like it that way)
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
hmm, just responding in kind (my excuse for authoring two of the above
I have a small library on folk vernacular architecture. The definition
of vernacular architecture is the kind of architecture that people in a
local with approximately the same cultural heritage have developed.
Good vernacular architecture, in my opinion, solves local climatic and
energy issues and expresses the culture visually in some uniform but
evolving way. It sometiems presents a unique use of local materials.
Vernacular pertains to a level of do it yourself that still utilizes
local expertise in craftsmanship, but does not necessarily presume the
kind of formal architetural or engineering training that is generally
presumptive of what we term architecture or engineering today.
That said, there are examples where traditional and vernacular
architecture come together, ex. hiring a mimar (Islamic design builder)
to design one of the coral mosques of Suakim. Local materials were used
(coral blocks, similar to the prehistoric shell material in St.
Augustine, Florida 16th c. buildling), mosques were designed but local
people as home builders used the same material for residential housing,
the material is beautiful in color and unique, the material used caused
the local building to become atractions, the materials used were
traditional building materials from the area that promoted cool, clean,
low maintenance living and worshipping. Just a tiny example. It is
always wonderful to discover some native/tribal/aboriginal/modern
ordinary guy and gal/ way of solving a common problem. Shelter itself
is a kind of local problem. It is wonderful when people express
philosophical thought through decoration in some kind of local way and
solve some kind of climatic issue at the same time, like the Russian or
Scandanavian stove to heat an entire dwelling efficiently (and to use
whole or large pieces of logs that burn slowly to ash in the process so
less energy is used even preparing fuel).
I don't see discussing making one's own hummus (note that the guy who
started the thread on tomato basil hummus didn't dare to post the actual
ingredients of the stuff he bought...) is contrary to the discussion of
good design. We choose to design what we do with our time and how we
fuel everything from buildings to our own bodies. We can accept a
developer McMansion, eat out and buy processed food, or we can design,
collaborate in the designor or at least have imput into the needs that
cause us to live live in what works and what we need while making sure
that quality goes into our bodies. It's all related.
'Course, you might find somebody in here who is desperate to make a buck
and design you a McMansion.
I'm sure no one on this forum has ever heard the term.....
People discuss that presumptive attitude here. Since you haven't been
reading, how 'bout finding a forum that discusses the issues the way you
How 'bout running me off while shootin' a shotgun into the sky? :)
"Git outta here, you vermin'! Comin' 'round here stirring up
If you consider your body within the realm of architecture, so be it.
Did you consider a thesis on hummus in the built environment? Puh-
Everything is about architecture. Architecture is about everything.
<complete frickin' blank look>
It's "alt.architecture". Not alt.architecture.green or
alt.architecture.fungus or alt.architecture.int-design or
The group is supposed to discuss some kind of architecture? I put the
emphasis on the "supposed."
There are kinds of architecture that aren't design oriented?
One popular thread here is "why don't you spontaneously generate the
threads I'm interested in without my having to bother to initiate
them?" Also, "waaaaaa waaaaaa" has a nice regular recurrence.
You mention hummus a lot. What is your problem with hummus? Have you
ever adhered two bricks togevver wiv hummus?
That's called spam. It has been going on for years. Perhaps you are
new to usenet.
Perhaps I'm about to be told how spam is email.
You'd do a whole lot better if the subject on your thread weren't so
nebulous. You'd do a whole lot better if your contribution weren't
preceded by endless ages of carping. Not that I have anything against
goldfish. You'd do a whole lot better if you waited for solid defining
answers to your previous questions before deciding, all of a sudden
and in the blazing glare of clear ignorance, what the (singular?)
topic of this group must be. Maybe you don't want to do good?
Are McMansions our culture's new fold architecture? What's a
McMansion? Can you have architecture w/o architects? Does your
licensing board, local violence monopoly, or AIA chapter agree?
How many Python references were contained in this post?
it is possible the OP was referring to the range of things called
but of course, if reading was a base skill looking at even a couple posts
would clarify that bit
so perhaps it was the differentiation between
industrial/commercial/residential the OP was asking to have clarified
ultimately all I am interested in is innovative responses to architectural
challenges - my key area of interest as a designer though is period
architecture from the 1830's to the 1930's
no clearer :0
Er, I liked earth-tones (speaking in hte sense of artist's paints and
pigments) long before the muddy schlop that get *called* earth-tones became
Does that make me part of the herd =:-o ? Or ahead of my time...? Or just
perpetually weird ;) ?
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