I used one example but that does not mean I don't know of others. Temporary store displays, trade show booth and two more of many examples that I can conceive.
Were did I say removable? Oh, I didn't, but you like to argue for the sake of arguing so you add in your own ideas. I only said hidden fastener. OK, you can finish with a snarky comment.
Ed Pawlowski wrote in news:1s2dnbAgf8L4nKvLnZ2dnUU7- snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:
I think J. Clarke is stuck on the same point I am here. The video referenced way up thread shows a bannister made with these fancy fastners. And the question is why? It's been suggested (maybe not by you) that the advantage of these things is that they're removable. So that raises the question, why you would want to remove a bannister?
And if you don't want to remove the bannister, we're back to why use those fastners in the first place?
John
The main advantage I see is that the fasteners are hidden. Needing to remove a bannister is rare, but could be handy at times moving furniture but I don't see that as a big selling point.
Dowels are hidden too, and a lot cheaper, so what do these things bring to the table that dowels don't, if you're not planning on removing the thing?
I don't wish to prolong the agony but...
Have you ever attempted to remove/separate a PROPERLY glued and doweled joint? If you have, then you might understand where this device - admittedly of limited, specialized application might be worth a shot.
A product like this, outside the box, is best suited for applications which are also "outside the box."
You're missing the point. Why would one want to use this fastener in preference to dowels or (perish the thought) joinery in a bannister in "a high-end house"?
Why would you want to remove a bannister? IIRC TOH used the tool and fastener to attach a banister. So, they were not building a new house IIRC and they removed the previous banister to replace with the new one.
There could be multiple reasons to remove a banister but IMHO who ever does it next time will not have a clue if it has this type fastener or the tool to loosen it.
Simply for ease to remove for the refreshing the finish of the banister out side of the house. Certainly in a high end home the smell of the stripping products, paint, varnish, stain, what ever would be objectionable.
...and those odors aren't objectionable in other homes? Do high end home owners have high end noses? ;-)
Well as a matter of fact different strokes for different folks. I have had customers where money is no object and they will pay anything to avoid any disruption in tranquility. If you are going to do $200K+ reno in a million dollar+ home they just might not want to smell the paint dry. This explains the low emission paints available for a premium these days.
Leon wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:
OK, there's a valid point. Doesn't seem like something you'd do terribly often, but I guess when you're at the "money's no object" level, you might want a bannister with hidden, dissassemblable fastners.
John
Are the ceilings, walls, and floors also assembled with hidden, disassemblable fasteners so they can be taken outside when they need refinishing?
High end owners are often willing to pay a lot to avoid such things. My step-father did a lot of work for high end customers. Amazing what they want and how much they will pay for it.
Jeez, John
Is it that hard for you to concede that there are certain tools, certain materials, certain procedures, etc. that exist solely to fill a unique or oddball use or nitch?
Following this thread I don't see where anyone has suggested universal use of the fastening system nor even wide use of it. Why not give it a rest? If you can't run for King of the World and ban the damn fastener and be done with it. Either that or grab a cup of STFU.
I'm not the one who suggested that such a thing would be used for "bannisters in high end houses" so that they could be removed for the purpose of being refinished without annoying the occupants of said house with the odors associated with refinishing.
If they need to be removed from the house in order to avoid such annoyance, then why doesn't everything else that is likely to need to be refinished also need to be removed from the house for refinishing?
You've totally missed the point.
In that case they would go on vacation in Morocco for 3 months while that is going on.
Perhaps if you did this type work you would understand. FWIW you typically don't remove paint from walls. It's not uncommon at all to remove the finish from a banister which can raise a lot of dust or add another chemical smell to the mix. Anyway you asked and you got your answer.
The name of the game. Not worth the hassle working for low end customers.
Yep! As was brought up in another part of the interweps where you and I both converse, I'm finding that I don't ever want to be the lowest bidder, either.
Too many clients who hire the lowest bidder for price alone are never satisfied and want to leave the game feeling like they stuck it to you. Plus, when you bid a job too low it's way too tempting cut corners or quality to try to get out with more profit.
The problem with the low bid is that the client still expects the high bid results.
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