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Well, maybe not socialism. But, just emerging from policies that the US had until the late 60s and into the early 70s that "discouraged" price competition at retail. The UK is rather open to such things but most of the rest of the EU is not -- and the UK market alone does not have enough size to support US-style retail price competition. The EC (Commission of the EU) is slowly, but Shirley (it seems), moving the laggards to allow retail price competition. There is a news clip today about how France is dragging its heels [Insert joke/comment here] and a giant retailer there is trying to make it a political issue.
So, to the extent that socialism=the state knowing better than the markets and acting to impede the markets, that would be socialism being responsible for the disparity. -- Igor
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igor wrote: n The EC (Commission of

France, hummm, as one of my T shirts "remember agincourt!", be honset the French still want to live in the past and the see the EU as an extension of the French republik!
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Nice description of the administration refusing to let Americans buy drugs in Canada.
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GregP wrote:

Greg - you just need to remember who's markets a free market system is supposed to be good for :^)
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Another lie, Greg, and you should know it. You can go to Canada and buy whatever the hell you want; tour busses full of people go there regularly. The question you're neglecting to think about, is _why are they cheaper there_? I'll save you some time - because the Canadian Government refuses to pay more, so the USA'n consumer gets to finance their cheap drugs.
Rather than figuring out how to ship this stuff around the globe, why not look at what your boy Kerry has done about it? (hint: not a damn thing).
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:58:10 +0000, Dave Hinz wrote:

You don't even need to go to Canada to purchase Canadian drugs. My sister gets my mothers prescriptions filled via mail order from Canada. Greg (even though I don't see his posts) appears to continue to be clueless.
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Doug Winterburn wrote:

Well, yeah, except that is what the feds are trying to cut off. Hopefully this little piece of free market economy will survive.
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:10:52 -0400, James T. Kirby wrote:

Sorry, but the feds are not trying to stop individuals from buying drugs in Canada. They're not now and have not allowed commercial importation of Canadian drugs. They may allow importation in the future on a case by case basis as approved by the FDA.
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Doug Winterburn wrote:

As approved by the FDA? These are mostly American made drugs, already approved by the FDA.
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:19:38 -0400, James T. Kirby wrote:


Some are, but *most* are not. None of my mothers are US manufactured. Mostly French.
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The concerns are real. Is that real (drug), or a fake copy of (drug)? What is the chain of control of the drugs? Have they been stored and transported properly? Drugs can be temperature sensitive, light sensitive, degrade over relatively short time periods, and so on. It should go without saying, but some of the spammers who claim to be selling "cheap Canadian drugs" aren't really in Canada, aren't selling legitimate drugs, and aren't going to send you what you pay for if you get anything at all.
If it's the right drug, _and_ it's safe, _and_ the Canadian government is happy to let their socialized medicine continue to pay for discounts for USA'n consumers, _then_ this would work. There are a couple problems with that, not the least of which is Canada not being eager to do so.
The real problem continues to be that someone needs to pay for this drug research. These things cost money, sometimes an obscene amount of money, to develop. That cost has to be met somehow, and if Canada is refusing to pay their part, then it has to come from, for instance, us. Maybe the question shouldn't be "how can we import cheaper drugs from Canada"< but it should be "How can we get Canada to start paying their fair share of the costs?"
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Dave Hinz wrote:

Millions of dead Canadians provide the case in point.
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I notice you snipped where I listed those concerns, including safe transport and storage, and verification that the source really _is_ a Canadian pharmacy. Wonder why that is...
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Dave Hinz wrote:

Probably because a lot of those concerns are the obvious road blocks that would be suggested by an industry trying to maintain its government-blessed monopoly, avoiding the problem of having to deal with a true free market for as long as possible.
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So tell me, James. Do you feel that drugs are _not_ sensitive to proper handling? Do you feel that temperature, time, and mechanical damage are not concerns? Do you feel that every entity claiming to be a Canadian Online Pharmacy is legitimate, selling legitimate drugs?
Are you aware of the existance of counterfeit drugs, James?
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:27:36 +0000, Dave Hinz wrote:

True, drug research is expensive. However--the pharmaceutical companies spend more money on marketing than they do on research. There's plenty of money in the pot for research. The pharmies just have a captive market, and are charging what the market will bear. The fairly recent trend of US consumers seeking Canuckistani drugs just indicates that the pharmies have come near the maximum they can charge. Bringing prices down is easy: just stop buying medicine. Right, like that'll happen. So, it takes regulatory action to cap prices. That way, consumers can keep buying meds, get their will expressed via their elected representatives, and the pharmies can still make money hand over fist. Note that the recent legislation (Medicare drug benefits, IIRC) prohibits the US government from negotiating lower prices with the pharmies. So, no regulatory action yet because the representatives are representing their constituents, not their citizens. </rant>
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Get your facts straight:
The drugs are the same ones sold in the USA, some are made in Canada, some in USA, some in France and some in Germany. There are only a few major drug manufacturers that produce the branded drugs in the world. Not all are American. Generic drugs are another story, but are usually produced after the patents run out.
A lot of development is done in other countries than the US.
Canada, and other countries have agreements on how much the drug companies can charge consumers for drugs. In the US the government has refused to help their consumers. The drug companies have a lot of lobbyists in Washington to keep it that way.
There is a growing groundswell developing against selling to Americans because 30 million Canadians cannot continue to supply over 300 million Americans with drugs. Already there are reports of supplies running low, and the drug companies are not happy with supplying Americans through Canada.
Don't believe the story that Americans must pay development costs through high drug prices. Drugs are developed in all major countries in the world. The biggest cost the drug manufacturer incur is advertising which adds greatly to the price along with above average profits. US style advertising is prohibited in Canada which also works to keep Canadian drugs cheaper.
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James Kirby notes:

Ah, hell, man. A drug company's gotta live, and they prefer chewing rather well up on the hog.
For a time, I was ordering a prescription out of NZ. It was about half the price of the Canadian drug. VA wouldn't supply it, possibly because of the cost, so I went the cheapest possible route.
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Charlie Self wrote:

It's frightening to think how far biased the corporate/neocon government combination is towards concentration of wealth. Obviously, drug companies are not selling to Canada at a loss. They would just stop selling if that were the situation. The fact that the price back to us after a turnaround still beats the pants off what we can get at home is just appalling. This corporate welfare stuff just really, really ticks me off. Why does an average person on the street support it? Have they really fallen that far into the con?
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Please, it's another case of "soak the rich."
You, as an American, are rich, and must be prepared to do your fair share.
Actually, your insurance must do its fair share, and that's paid by your employer.
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