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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
My computer is currently a 98. It is stable software and hardware wise.
Upgrading to XP would require a good weekend of work, and spending money
upgrade every piece of software that is currently on my system. Not to mention
hardware that wouldn't be supported and would require replacement.
Quick question: have you priced upgrades for 98, office, frontpage, antivirus,
accounting, and personal finance software? ( Just to mention some of the
My kids computer is currently an XP. I simply don't find I need to upgrade. I
can't find any real difference. It my be more "stable," but mine is currently
What irritates me the most is that micosoft "ends" support for 98, and no
consumer backlash at all.
Imagine a car company saying they wouldn' provide parts or repairs to cars
older than 8 years old?
: "The only person sure of himself is the man who wishes to
: leave things as they are, and he dreams of an impossibility"
: -- George M. Wrong.
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It depends on what you call "support". The business community did
stage a backlash and M$ decided to continue the security updates
for Win98. That's all I need for them to do. I've got software
and I can check new hardware for compatibility.
Dave in Fairfax
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daveldr at att dot net
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:46:29 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
Nah. I bought a 2.4ghz box a few months ago and paid a bit extra to
get a real P4 (instead of the Celery chip), 512g ram, and XP Pro (so I
could try it out).
After screwing around with XP for a while, I put on 98SE and the
machine ran faster and better - had a whole lot less footprint on it
than that new hog, too.
I already have dedicated apps that do most of the things that XP
bundles lamely into the OS. (ps don't believe the guys who tell you it
won't run usb 2.0 -- that's a damned lie.)
I use XP Pro at work and it locks up two or three times a day (yeah,
its got all the piggy patches). The uptime on my 98SE laptop (running
at a gaudy 300mhz) is measured in months.
Tomorrow I take possession of a new laptop, with the groovy Centrino
technoboogie stuff, loads of ram, etc.
It's gonna come with XP Home - but that'll get wiped first thing.
(watson - who ran Win95 on that 2.4ghz box for a few days and it was
blazin' fast - but too many apps/hardware don't like it - sigh...)
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker (ret)
Real Email is: tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
The problem is that the more specialized your software and the more
dependent you are on it the less likely you are to be able to move it.
I have one package it would cost me over $500 to upgrade and all XP
says when I try to install it is "No Windows programs on this disk".
Compatibility mode is useless because XP just doesn't see the
executable as a program. Works fine in 98, so I keep on using 98 for
my main work machine.
Capitalism at its finest provides you with the widest possible
range of choices in what to buy, from whom you buy, and how much
you pay for what you buy. I'm not sure that it's capitalism
that's at the heart of your problem.
Why did you choose not to inform yourself until /after/
purchasing a product that doesn't satisfy your requirements?
Have you learned anything that would help you avoid similar
mistakes in the future?
Yes, I do love capitalism at its finest - in part because it
provides me with alternatives to sources like Microsoft.
Morris, the front of the box says PC and MAC. I wouldn't
expect a mouse to require XP, for craps sakes. you can lay
this off on me if you choose, but the fault as I see it is
corporate greed. New Logitech mice still work on Win95.
Morris Dovey wrote:
I've been a systems software cat since the fifties and Microsoft
has been a prominent part of my world since the seventies. In all
those years I've never once heard an impartial, knowledgable
professional praise either Mr. Gates' nor Microsoft's integrity,
business ethics or practices, product quality, or concern for
delivering fair value for price paid.
What you experienced, and your discovery of Gates'/Microsoft's
"corporate greed" is not new, is consistant with past history,
and was readily available information. One of the most common
complaints made about Microsoft has dealt with exactly the kind
of compatibility/support problem you "discovered".
I'm not trying to "dump" on you. Rather, I'm encouraging you to
be an informed consumer so that at least the next time you're
ready to spend on <whatever>, you'll do what you need to do /in
advance/ to ensure getting full value for your hard-earned
dollars - especially if it appears that the most readily
available product comes from a vendor with a questionable history
I hate to beat this point to death; but in a capitalistic system
it's important to understand that the consumer bears the
responsibility for choosing well. Blaming capitalism for poor
choices was an indication that you didn't understand this most
important fact. There's even a name for those who don't, can't,
or won't understand it. They're called "prey".
The mouse doesn't require XP, as you've proven. The software requires
Logitech's main business is input devices - they'd be SOL if they only
supported W2K and higher. Microsoft's is software.
Corporate greed? That's rich coming from you Davey boy. I can just see
Bill in his smoking jacket, sipping some Grand Marnier while enjoying an
Opus XX, thinking of ways to pad the MS profit margin by limiting
optical mice to only those operating systems they continue to support.
And all the while, in the back of his mind, he thinks of you at
Costco... fondling the mouse and taking it home, and adding another $10
to the corporate coffers.
I understand that the mouse is working to some degree (I'd expect basic
functions to work with no software installed at all). But I'll clue you in
on something. There's lots of programs and drivers from companies other
than Microsoft that don't have explicit support for Win98. So, Microsoft
isn't forging new territory here. And since Logitech stuff works with
Win9x, it looks like capitalism is working just fine, thank you. I'll stop
here since I gave up calling people morons for Lent.
yeah, so?? it works. I don't need a new computer/OS. You
are parroting what the marketers want you to think; that
yesterday's technology is so obsolete that you MUST upgrade,
upgrade, upgrade. I'm not buying into that.
Christopher Pine wrote:
as I already mentioned, on the front of the package it said
"PC and Mac". On the side panel in print smaller than I can
possibly read without reading glasses, and even then I can
barely read it in bright light, it listed several versions
of Windoz. I wouldn't expect a mouse to require the latest
versions of Windoz.
It is amazing to me how people will drop $3000 into "updating" their
computers every year ($5000 just a few years ago) and will
hesitate and complain in buying a decent solid wood table that is the same
price, and will last their lifetimes.
I often wonder this too. I know I spent a lot for my Powermatic 66
ten years ago, almost $2000. If my PM66 was a computer it would be
worth about $20 today, if that. New vehicles depreciate very quickly
too. I think my furniture has actually increased in value, perhaps
more so after I'm dead.
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